New BenQ drive found DG-16D2S FW 74850C

[theurn15]

I personally think MS security rely on agreements/patents/dollars payed for liteon to develop a secure fw (a copy and paste fw from previous drive, which can output dvdkey as we can see), while liteon security rely on agreements/patents/dollars payed to mediatek for a secure chip, which uses a rewritable macroix spi flash which, in the bad way, theorically could be dumped after some expensive decaping.
i've not the impression of nasa security inside, even if i'm sure that some business man represented like that.

well Geremia you are the man no one can argue with you but notice I didn't mention NASA they are so different ,plus Note that I didn't give you all the information/details that my relative told me the man really likes working in Microsoft he even refuses to tell me his salary the guy is a money making machine so he is gonna kill me if he get fired , these guys know C4EVA they call him EVA so they know what happens in xbox hacking community.
also note that U.S.A  government technologies is not made exclusively for public  sector, they simply derive applications from their technologies  to be applied by other American companies in the private sector like general motors ,Microsoft….etc.
To be honest with you I believe that Microsoft maybe thought to  follow a different strategy this time because the old strategy failed to achieve their greedy goals maybe.
But if hacking liteon is that easy why you guys didn't achieve any thing in reading the spi flash for more than 6 months, plus why is c4eva is heading toward spoofing the drive and making spoofing better with iextreme 1.5, well C4EVA is a genius he wouldn't waste his time on some thing that cannot be achieved, there's something different about liteon,microsoft freaks are so sure its not hackable I hope they are wrong.
 

[Geremia]

I'm not telling that what you sayd is not true, i'm rather telling that MS most probably didn't develop the security of the MTK chip, probably neither the firmware, that's why i think MS security rely on what mtk sell to liteon and what liteon sell to MS.
Btw, as i wrote some times ago, i can read small piece of fw code here and there in a quite-random way, nothing interesting, but still fw pieces, and this is related to MTK securty, so 2 chains far back from MS.

One thing is fw dump, another is fw hacking, anyway i'm just an hobbyst with a few spare time and not a professional decap machine, that's why it takes so long, and personally i don't care about time, i do it on spare time to have fun, not to make money, so, the longer it takes, the longer is the toy life.

[theurn15]

I'm not telling that what you sayd is not true, i'm rather telling that MS most probably didn't develop the security of the MTK chip, probably neither the firmware, that's why i think MS security rely on what mtk sell to liteon and what liteon sell to MS.
Btw, as i wrote some times ago, i can read small piece of fw code here and there in a quite-random way, nothing interesting, but still fw pieces, and this is related to MTK securty, so 2 chains far back from MS.

One thing is fw dump, another is fw hacking, anyway i'm just an hobbyst with a few spare time and not a professional decap machine, that's why it takes so long, and personally i don't care about time, i do it on spare time to have fun, not to make money, so, the longer it takes, the longer is the toy life.

Well Again you know you are the man whether any one likes it or not
I'm sure that you done your best in your spare time its quiet clear that you
Have no interest in dumping the flash except practicing a hobby, but this dude
Is a monster it won't be hacked easily, I imagine that top scientists participated in developing it, and you know it's not easy to make something unreadable (until now) for world top hackers like you.

You don't wanna know what these greedy freaks said about C4Eva and you I'm sure that what you did with C4EVA in hacking the previous drives made them angry like a red bull. 
Keep up the good work man.

[reaper527]

But if hacking liteon is that easy why you guys didn't achieve any thing in reading the spi flash for more than 6 months, plus why is c4eva is heading toward spoofing the drive and making spoofing better with iextreme 1.5,

let me ask you a question. why do you assume that because it has taken 6 months, it won't be done? the benq drives took almost a year to hack, now a trained monkey can do it. this takes time because the hackers are pioneering new methods and there is trial and error involved.

right now you say we'll never have a way to hack a liteon drive. a few months back, the word was that the liteon will never give up the drive key. things change, and new methods are found. i just honestly don't see any claim that this drive will never be hacked as being true. right now, we can extract the key, and erase/flash the drive. all we need is a single firmware dump. if one person finds a way to dump it, the security is done. there is also some expensive high tech equipment out there, and i'm sure this firmware can be read at least once by the right person with the right tools.

[itsfakemon]

But if hacking liteon is that easy why you guys didn't achieve any thing in reading the spi flash for more than 6 months, plus why is c4eva is heading toward spoofing the drive and making spoofing better with iextreme 1.5,

let me ask you a question. why do you assume that because it has taken 6 months, it won't be done? the benq drives took almost a year to hack, now a trained monkey can do it. this takes time because the hackers are pioneering new methods and there is trial and error involved.

right now you say we'll never have a way to hack a liteon drive. a few months back, the word was that the liteon will never give up the drive key. things change, and new methods are found. i just honestly don't see any claim that this drive will never be hacked as being true. right now, we can extract the key, and erase/flash the drive. all we need is a single firmware dump. if one person finds a way to dump it, the security is done. there is also some expensive high tech equipment out there, and i'm sure this firmware can be read at least once by the right person with the right tools.

people like you are the reason why it's underestimated

let's take a closer look:
your view: "I hacked a drive, I could teach a monkey to hack it"
hacker's view: "He used my hack on his drive, he's ignorant and thinks that hacking drives is easy"

your view: "This hacking stuff is easy, it won't take long to hack the next drive"
hacker's view: "It's a tough nut to crack, I'll ask for colaboration on xboxhacker - hopefully no f***tard like giggles, n00bpwner or reaper527 will give his uneducated input"

all these discussions, coming from you people who have never even seen a line of assembly, are pretty f****** useless. all you do is suppose and suggest and live in a dreamworld. don't give your input. shut up. please.

p.s.: you do prove ONE point with regards to a monkey being able to flash a drive: you people aren't getting any smarter, you just get more retarded, day by day, which is the reason why people like Schtrom or Podger or Redline (fill the gaps with the names I forgot) try to make apps to make your life easier.
hell you morons can't even solder a f****** rs232 level translator from a schematic! a monkey could even do that if it was trained to!

[reaper527]

But if hacking liteon is that easy why you guys didn't achieve any thing in reading the spi flash for more than 6 months, plus why is c4eva is heading toward spoofing the drive and making spoofing better with iextreme 1.5,

let me ask you a question. why do you assume that because it has taken 6 months, it won't be done? the benq drives took almost a year to hack, now a trained monkey can do it. this takes time because the hackers are pioneering new methods and there is trial and error involved.

right now you say we'll never have a way to hack a liteon drive. a few months back, the word was that the liteon will never give up the drive key. things change, and new methods are found. i just honestly don't see any claim that this drive will never be hacked as being true. right now, we can extract the key, and erase/flash the drive. all we need is a single firmware dump. if one person finds a way to dump it, the security is done. there is also some expensive high tech equipment out there, and i'm sure this firmware can be read at least once by the right person with the right tools.

people like you are the reason why it's underestimated

let's take a closer look:
your view: "I hacked a drive, I could teach a monkey to hack it"
hacker's view: "He used my hack on his drive, he's ignorant and thinks that hacking drives is easy"

your view: "This hacking stuff is easy, it won't take long to hack the next drive"
hacker's view: "It's a tough nut to crack, I'll ask for colaboration on xboxhacker - hopefully no f***tard like giggles, n00bpwner or reaper527 will give his uneducated input"

miss my point much? i said explicitly "this takes time because the hackers are pioneering new methods and there is trial and error involved.".  i never said that what the hackers do is easy. like i said, the lite on will be hacked at some point. first the drive will be hacked by someone skilled, then he will release the how to and the average joe can replicate it. also, no one is criticizing anyone for asking for collaboration. 

[Geremia]

Well Again you know you are the man whether any one likes it or not

Heheheh, sory, in this point i disagree, cause i'm just an hobbyst and i'm lucky to have found some good friends (Schtrom, Tiros on toplist) here to exchange knowledge to grow up, it's not a one man work and i'm not here to get cool with kiddies. Take a look at kernel hacking people, these are the mens

about the strongness of the security, don't know, there is still a lot to try prior to giveup.

[theurn15]

Well Again you know you are the man whether any one likes it or not

Heheheh, sory, in this point i disagree, cause i'm just an hobbyst and i'm lucky to have found some good friends (Schtrom, Tiros on toplist) here to exchange knowledge to grow up, it's not a one man work and i'm not here to get cool with kiddies. Take a look at kernel hacking people, these are the mens

about the strongness of the security, don't know, there is still a lot to try prior to giveup.

Yeah its up to you the way you describe your self image, you know
Being nice with kiddoes isn't your hobby it’s a babysitter job but sure you
Cannot identify kiddoes or pros online,its maybe because they may not let you do so. 
thanks for reply.

[theurn15]

let me ask you a question. why do you assume that because it has taken 6 months, it won't be done? ............etc

You know itsfakemon you are absolutely true most people think
That hacked flash is issued by Microsoft but what happened with liteon is that Microsoft want's to delay its flash in order to sell the remains of benq. 
While other people steal hackers ideas and turn it into their inventions
They even have big modding business ,further more they never say thanks to any hacker, I even get fired in one of the forums web sites because I insisted that hacked software is made by one of the hackers, not by the original company. 
So god bless hackers

[reaper527]

most people think
That hacked flash is issued by Microsoft but what happened with liteon is that Microsoft want's to delay its flash in order to sell the remains of benq. 

i am yet to meet ANYONE who thinks that

on a side note, anyone know anything about this team xecuter reply?

http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47945

Apologies for lack of update but i'm sure most of you are aware that the Liteon can be dumped and there will shortly be a flashable method released bt C4E shortly. Good work !

did i miss an irc quote somewhere along the way? it would certainly be news to me if c4e made a dump of the fw

[Arakon]

team xecuter talks a lot when they are bored.

[LordX]

on a side note, anyone know anything about this team xecuter reply?
http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47945

yes, very interesting 

team xecuter talks a lot when they are bored.

LOL 

[noob6969]

One thing really does not gell here.

Secure eerom has been around for YEARS, its not a new development as with secure MCU, Dallas semiconductor even used to make one with a self destruct pin ffs, if you tampered with the case it would erase itself (it was used in POS terminals for a while about 10 friggin years ago), the DS5000 CPU also scrambled its memory locations so even if you did get a dump it would be all but meaningless...and it was 8051 based and as cheap as, its not like THIS is a new higher security rom technology developed in conjunction with the miltary.

That is absolute crap.

All they have done is prevented the firmware from being read out....wwweeeewwww....there is nothing complex in the patent....all they did is say..well we really do not need a verify command do we...and we will design the floorplan of the die to make it impossible to read the flash by conventional means.

I am stunned that the key can be retrieved, and this is borderline reallly suspect if you ask me.

The reason why M care about the KK exploit is protecting their monopoly on the home gateway for online services. It does not take rocket science to realise that subscriptions is where the real money lies.

The liteon is for appearances sake

[theurn15]

These people call themselves   (Xecuter Retired Alcoholic)  so what do you expect of them
They collapsed long time ago ,also note they do paid hacking not free hacking ,so if there's no modchip they will not waste their time for free , about predicting latest development with C4EVA note the following " Note: C4EVA may have made some progress so if he needs anything from us or if we will be wasting our time - just get him to drop us a line - thanks."    So how the hell did they knew about C4EVA latest developments.
About the Microsoft-military  its funny because no one ever mentioned it , but if someone claimed that the bammer car  is a result  of joint project U.S.A military and general motors somebody would laugh until we change it to hammer h2 instead of bammer .  I think we are over reacting in discussing this subject  so what if Microsoft are so sure it won't be hacked they believe what they like to believe, also the employees in the us government  are humans just like us they are not Aliens from mars ,I guess this technology is derived not the whole one as I've heard so it can be hacked,I think we should move on to something useful guys. 

[n00bpwner360]

Ya I would like to know some technical details on how teh LiteOn key is dumped. This drive is supposedly so great then why in the name of every good and holy is it so seemingly easy that we can dump they key...I would like to know...

[itsfakemon]

Ya I would like to know some technical details on how teh LiteOn key is dumped. This drive is supposedly so great then why in the name of every good and holy is it so seemingly easy that we can dump they key...I would like to know...

why don't you have a look at the benq firmware?

[podger]

Ya I would like to know some technical details on how teh LiteOn key is dumped. This drive is supposedly so great then why in the name of every good and holy is it so seemingly easy that we can dump they key...I would like to know...

Most things are easy when you know how, especially if somesome one else does the hard work for ya.... Geremia, c4eva etc......

[bonzo pl]

Children quietly!
It may be useful.
,Org bin SH-S183
SH-S183
srom-26DF161 /SMD/-2Mb.
Procesor like MT1899E
Samsung =Lite-on?=Philips pdf?


Rx Tx 
bonzo.pl salut, respekt  modfreakz
No Wilhelm- scene.com spoils consoles.
xbox-scene.com whether there are educated people? Such turiale-x / clamp
My console 2005-10-16 work
Am sory english

[theurn15]

Children quietly!
It may be useful.
,Org bin SH-S183
SH-S183
srom-26DF161 /SMD/-2Mb.
Procesor like MT1899E
Samsung =Lite-on?=Philips pdf?


Rx Tx 
bonzo.pl salut, respekt  modfreakz
No Wilhelm- scene.com spoils consoles.
xbox-scene.com whether there are educated people? Such turiale-x / clamp
My console 2005-10-16 work
Am sory english

buddy I don't know what do you mean but again this is not the same 1319L chipset but most importantly it's not the same freaking firmware ,Guys liteon security strategy is based on restricting the reading of their firmware ,so you don't suppose that they are gonna do simple copy pasting of another drive so that any one could jump-off this security wall easily and write a workable FW to liteon spi flash.
Though good work hope someone like you reveals the secret soon.

[bonzo pl]

26DF161 no ISP programer