New BenQ drive found DG-16D2S FW 74850C

[n00bpwner360]

I am assuming the SPI flash pins in the northeast (sorry no other way I could say it) region of the chip are useless? Don't have any activity on them at any part of anything?

[theurn15]

To all Guys in this forum Hear this confirmed news:
My relative works at Microsoft U.S.A He told me important things about Microsoft/liteon joint security project which gave us the liteon
Model:DG-16D2S here is some important points that he mentioned to me:

1.They've been planning for this model for more than year.
2.The technology which used in protecting the flash data, was originally
Adopted by the U.S.A Government in-order to protect data in certain important Devices from being read or hacked,(CIA,Pentagun)

3.they are so confident that the drive will never be hacked, actually
they are planning to replace every drive with liteon in markets,support centers….etc.

4.installing the game on hard disk is not old suggestion but they feared the fact that all drives was hacked or easy to be hacked, but in liteon case they are so confident that the liteon security is enough to ban any one from using hacked games either on harddisk or external harddisk.
5.one of the biggest managers at Microsoft which is also happened to be one of the project members said laughing that the new project will f**k EVA and all the other RATS!!!!!? Sorry but that's what he said literally.

Note: I'm not giving any details about person's or names because someone dear may get fired eventually.

 

[benny881]

To all Guys in this forum Hear this confirmed news:
My relative works at Microsoft U.S.A He told me important things about Microsoft/liteon joint security project which gave us the liteon
Model:DG-16D2S here is some important points that he mentioned to me:

1.They've been planning for this model for more than year.
2.The technology which used in protecting the flash data, was originally
Adopted by the U.S.A Government in-order to protect data in certain important Devices from being read or hacked,(CIA,Pentagun)

3.they are so confident that the drive will never be hacked, actually
they are planning to replace every drive with liteon in markets,support centers….etc.

4.installing the game on hard disk is not old suggestion but they feared the fact that all drives was hacked or easy to be hacked, but in liteon case they are so confident that the liteon security is enough to ban any one from using hacked games either on harddisk or external harddisk.
5.one of the biggest managers at Microsoft which is also happened to be one of the project members said laughing that the new project will f**k EVA and all the other RATS!!!!!? Sorry but that's what he said literally.

Note: I'm not giving any details about person's or names because someone dear may get fired eventually.

 

yes...do you know that in lite-on there is a bomb??!!!...if you try to hack..it makes kabooooooooommmmmmm

[theurn15]

yes...do you know that in lite-on there is a bomb??!!!...if you try to hack..it makes kabooooooooommmmmmm

well you will be a total moron I f you think that i might possibly care if any one believes it or not, I hope that Microsoft is wrong but you see I only write what I've heard from my relative he even hates games and xbox 360 , I also asked him if he can get liteon original firmware , he told me that Microsoft copy are kept in the place where they store windows native code (no one can get it)
so don't make me regret because I said this, leave it or take it its the same for me.

[Tiros]

I dont see anything moronic about your post.
In fact it looks all quite believeable to me.
A quick look also shows it has more content than anything *benny* has ever posted, so just disregard him.

[reaper527]

I dont see anything moronic about your post.
In fact it looks all quite believeable to me.

in that case, i just got this email explaining how if you wire some money to a nigerian bank account, their prince will give you millions of dollars.

seriously though, i have seen so many "my relative works at ms and has access to this confidential data and yeah" stories over the years. these can be taken with a grain of salt. urn won't be the first or last person to make claims like this, and at the end of the day, the only thing the post contains that we didn't already know is that urn can't spell pentagon.

[LordX]

so don't make me regret because I said this, leave it or take it its the same for me.

Thanks for info theurn15

[n00bpwner360]

Look MS is dumb as $#!t.

"O look our consoles have problems...seems to be a GPU BGA heat stress related issue"

"What should we do about it? Look into fixing it?"

"Might cost too much money, lets add a dinky little heatpipe and secondary heatsink to the GPU heatsink"

Later on

"Um, they still are failing..."

"Hmm....I got it! Lets make the CPU (not the problem) run cooler by investing a $#!t load of cash into research and development of the 65nm CPUs!"

Later

"Um, they are still failing, hey, I read on the internet it is caused by a combination of heat build up and the X clamps...maybe we should look into scrapping the X clamps and looking for a better method of attaching the heatsinks to the chips...and maybe increase cooling?"

"Hmmm....no, the X clamps are fine...replacing them hasn't been proven to fix (although it has, or at least mostly has by the internet) or prevent the RROD...and ya...better cooling...lets look at that, the airflow is fine over the GPU (yes of course I know it isn't) and upgrading the thermal paste would cost too much (of course it wouldn't)...so lets spend 1.05 billion dollars on increasing everyone's RROD warranty to 3 years and probably a $#!t load of money in devleoping nad testing 65nm GPUs (which won't solve the problem) but never actually release Jasper"

"Sounds good boss!"

Honestly. Why did Microsoft go for 65nm? And CPU first? There are more pressing matters at hand, make the GPU 65nm first, not the CPU, the GPU is the problem. Also, I am running a Xenon box right now, 90nm isn't the issue, it is the cooling and the X clamps, I replaced the X clamps before a problem came about, and I have been going strong for like a year. Also I got some cooling upgrades, but that is neither here nor there because I externalized the DVD drive.

Cheap fix/prevention for the RROD.

1. Re do the air duct so it extends over the GPU heatsink and divides the fans, 1 fan for the GPU heatsink, and 1 for the CPU, right now, like 70% or more (more than 50 I know for sure) of the suction of the fans is over the CPU heatsink, as well as the $#!tty air duct, the air isn't being pulled OVER the GPU heatsink, air is being sucked out the tiny hole of the air duct...not over the heatsink fins....

2. (probably should be 1 but this isn't an ordered list) f*** the X clamps. I don't think Microsoft made up all of the X clamps it needed before the Xbox was released. Before they order more form their manufacturer, f*** them and look into getting machine screws and washers or some other method....the X clamps don't work, admit it Microsoft, you can run unsigned code thru the hypervisor vulnerability, a code patch is out within like 5 days? RROD, no real fix has been made by MS...I guess a secure (and not working console) is better than a working and unsecure console.

3. Thermal poop. The Play-Doh that is on the dies and heatsinks, is not paste, it is poop.

4. 65nm GPU, but I bet they spendmore money getting 65nm GPUs into consoles than the above fixes.

All in all, what I am saying, is that I highly doubt Microsoft actually locked this $#!t down completely. If it was a COMPLETE fix, there would be an embedded ROM inside the controller chip, you could write the ROM, but can't read it because there is no way for the ROM to be read out, no pins for the data to go over, the chip doesn't need to give out the firmware to anything, even if the controller chips were SUPER secure for the BenQ, Hitachi, and Samsung, you could still dump the firmware because the chip was desolderable...but on the LiteOn, there is no chip on the outside of the controller...make the firmware not readable by the controller chip (come on you are micorosoft, you make a $#!t load of money a yearI bet you can figure out how to) and have no where for the firmware to leave (I guess SATA is possible, but that has to be there for the 360 to work with the drive, duh) There, locked down drive.

But no, we can dump the keys easily and use a replacement drive, erase and flash the firmware chip (which seemingly is the exact same as the BenQs) Now all we need is a dump. Let's see, Microsoft might have not enabled a dump of the firmware, but look waht is possible currently. Piracy. Maybe a little more expensive, but for the price of a retail game, you got your LiteOn key on a new DVD drive running backup or downloaded games. So so far, Microsoft has f***ed up like 50%, when the firmware is dumped and hacked, they have been f***ed completely.

[raidenxtribe]

Poor M$, they always try to stop hackers but fail every f**king time 

[itsfakemon]

n00b: do what every sane person like you would do in this case: start an online petition! pretty sure it'll work!

[theurn15]

Well it seems that Spoofing will be the only solution for a very long time
But what about spoofing issues:
1.   Lack of new and good flashable drives actually they are pumping thousands
Of  consoles in the market  with the dreaded  liteon.
2.   Difficulty and risky of  the operation it self.
3.   The operation is expensive on the internet cost +90$.
4.   However it's the only solution.

Well I fear that Microsoft is right about liteon because you know C4EVA is a genius guy, he figured out that the liteon couldn't be dumped from the beginning
So he focused on retrieving the key in-order to spoof ,and now he is working hard to make spoofing more safe and Acceptable  by releasing ifirmware 1.5 which will
Make spoofing undetectable but he didn't make any progress in reading the drive from the beginning???!!.   
But sorry if someone get irritated by the phrase " the new project will f**k EVA and all the other RATS!!!!!?" actually my relative said that they used more rude words than these, well if you forgive me he told me that during one of the project meetings someone jumped and said we should call this project liteon the hackers fu$$er then they laughed loudly.
So these dudes are sure it won't be hacked.
 

[notherbastard]

 You know dude, if i were C4EVA, i'd b the one sitting back and laughing right about now.

Actually, the mere fact that 1 man, has raised the ire and ignited the emotions and imagination of such a "superior" bunch of technical geniuses to the point where they try and use US Military security in a DVD rom drive, which, in all honesty backfired on them.

The key SHOULD be the most securely held piece of data in the drive, not the flash. So what if you need to replace a drive, MS still lost.

To C4EVA, congratulations. All these guys(@ MS) should now, hopefully, be $#!t canned and a new crew employed.

May i suggest tiros, robinsod, 7thson, C4EVA, ARAKON and Podger all submit their curriculum vitae asap.

Then, it may never be hacked, but atleast the f***ing hardware would be reliable.

[theurn15]

The key SHOULD be the most securely held piece of data in the drive, not the flash. So what if you need to replace a drive, MS still lost.

but for how long there's gonna be good or new flashable drive  they are pumping  liteon drives in millions, note that most of the flashable drives are second hand,they even cancelled any contracts concerning the other flashable drives, furthermore they are replacing flashable drives with liteon in support centers,   so nothing could compensate , but you know they did get us this time they are so evil and greed ,they indeed knew how to cripple us.
Hope someone make them cry like a baby

[lenselijer]

there are tons of replacement drives (thanks to the rrod) so that's no problem.

i can order 500+ samsung drives from china, i think there is still a factory creating these drives.

[theurn15]

there are tons of replacement drives (thanks to the rrod) so that's no problem.

i can order 500+ samsung drives from china, i think there is still a factory creating these drives.

okay where to buy them because most drives on e-bay are second hand or Reassembled.

[Tiros]

I wouldnt heee haaw it up too much.

1) Not saying they are, but its piss easy to detect a spoofed drive.

2) The key retrieval depends on an easily removed cdb command in the current firmware.

3) The rom appears not dumpable at all, as per the intention.

4) "Backups" simply dont contain "all" the data of the original, and will ultimately be rendered useless if m$ is inclined to do so.

To those who think m$ is allways the loser, and the hackers cant be stopped, why is it almost 2 years, and no other sploit but king kong is known? They fixed that one quick and hard. If/when the dvd *problem* is fixed, as they easily can, then what?

Keep chuckling....

[n00bpwner360]

I wouldnt heee haaw it up too much.

1) Not saying they are, but its piss easy to detect a spoofed drive.

2) The key retrieval depends on an easily removed cdb command in the current firmware.

3) The rom appears not dumpable at all, as per the intention.

4) "Backups" simply dont contain "all" the data of the original, and will ultimately be rendered useless if m$ is inclined to do so.

To those who think m$ is allways the loser, and the hackers cant be stopped, why is it almost 2 years, and no other sploit but king kong is known? They fixed that one quick and hard. If/when the dvd *problem* is fixed, as they easily can, then what?

Keep chuckling....

Then why do you think they haven't stopped it? They are losing money on piracy, I think if they could stop it they would.

[Geremia]

I personally think MS security rely on agreements/patents/dollars payed for liteon to develop a secure fw (a copy and paste fw from previous drive, which can output dvdkey as we can see), while liteon security rely on agreements/patents/dollars payed to mediatek for a secure chip, which uses a rewritable macroix spi flash which, in the bad way, theorically could be dumped after some expensive decaping.
i've not the impression of nasa security inside, even if i'm sure that some business man represented like that.

[MastaG]

I wouldnt heee haaw it up too much.

1) Not saying they are, but its piss easy to detect a spoofed drive.

2) The key retrieval depends on an easily removed cdb command in the current firmware.

3) The rom appears not dumpable at all, as per the intention.

4) "Backups" simply dont contain "all" the data of the original, and will ultimately be rendered useless if m$ is inclined to do so.

To those who think m$ is allways the loser, and the hackers cant be stopped, why is it almost 2 years, and no other sploit but king kong is known? They fixed that one quick and hard. If/when the dvd *problem* is fixed, as they easily can, then what?

Keep chuckling....

word up!
And don't forget we have to thank MS for our beloved consoles.
Some people sound like those peeps from psp-hacks.com being like: "f*** Sony! we haxxor the new firmware each time!"

[gigabite]

I know if I was M$, i'd be asking for my money back...a security system which only partially works - never say never

gigabite