New BenQ drive found DG-16D2S FW 74850C

[noob6969]

Looking at that decap again, I have to dissagree with c4eve abot that being a cheap assed solution, its more like a real hurried solution. There is no way any semicon vendor would want to make them enmass like that. I still can't image how they would automate a hybrid like that, it really does look like the bond out for the controller was done via standard means then then they plonked the serial memory die on top and then pulled some bond out wired up and bonded it by hand to the memory,  I just can't imagine automating that and yet there are 100sof K units out there already so hand bonding is not really practical.....unless this controller was a REALLY early one and they have already integrated the die in later chips....

Whatever it won't matter so long as the firmware is read out, even if they do/have integrated it in later chips, its unlikely they will change from a proto like, the full production unit will work the same so long as it has the same part number.

Don't see why a liteon would be easier than a benq to flash, perhaps it will be easier to hack the firmware because it is expected to be very similar to the benq. 

[theurn15]

Looking at that decap again, I have to dissagree with c4eve abot that being a cheap assed solution, its more like a real hurried solution. There is no way any semicon vendor would want to make them enmass like that. I still can't image how they would automate a hybrid like that, it really does look like the bond out for the controller was done via standard means then then they plonked the serial memory die on top and then pulled some bond out wired up and bonded it by hand to the memory,  I just can't imagine automating that and yet there are 100sof K units out there already so hand bonding is not really practical.....unless this controller was a REALLY early one and they have already integrated the die in later chips....

Whatever it won't matter so long as the firmware is read out, even if they do/have integrated it in later chips, its unlikely they will change from a proto like, the full production unit will work the same so long as it has the same part number.

Don't see why a liteon would be easier than a benq to flash, perhaps it will be easier to hack the firmware because it is expected to be very similar to the benq. 

Well the design of the chipset approves the fact that it's not done
By scout girls it's like my relative said "derived from u.s.a government technology"
However lets move on this isn't the issue  .


I think that geremia could give us an estimated time of the
Flash reading process because he knows when the injured rabbit will fall, it could be a week, two, a month but not so long
The flash is now in their hand intact 100% ready for connection and reading
So it's only a matter of time, for spoofing dudes be wise and don't waste your resources this way.

[noob6969]

Well the design of the chipset approves the fact that it's not done
By scout girls it's like my relative said "derived from u.s.a government technology"
However lets move on this isn't the issue  .

urn, stop talking crap, if this is derived from USA govt tech then its a very sad sad usa government.

Your only right about one thing, its not done yet.

[Geremia]

Sorry but it's about 20 days that i don't play with the liteon, i'm busy at work.
The hope is that misterfly could find the correct pinout and read back the content.....if the flash is not damaged by acid, and if the flash has not custom commands (i suppose not, but there is still a remote possibility).
It's a matter of days, or could be that he already dumped, i don't know.

[theurn15]

Well the design of the chipset approves the fact that it's not done
By scout girls it's like my relative said "derived from u.s.a government technology"
However lets move on this isn't the issue  .

urn, stop talking crap, if this is derived from USA govt tech then its a very sad sad usa government.

Your only right about one thing, its not done yet.

Okay look you can consider it crap I never mined , it's nothing when compared to the situation where some highly educated engineers or doctors   laugh and consider you crazy  when you say that a guy whose name is c4eva or geremia are making mi$$$soft life like hell by hacking this great technologies!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[theurn15]

Sorry but it's about 20 days that i don't play with the liteon, i'm busy at work.
The hope is that misterfly could find the correct pinout and read back the content.....if the flash is not damaged by acid, and if the flash has not custom commands (i suppose not, but there is still a remote possibility).
It's a matter of days, or could be that he already dumped, i don't know.

Though I'm absolutely sure if you are not so busy we would be playing backups now using that Dreaded liteon I hope that you have the time in the future to help the guys.
 

[trintiykate]

Indeed this crap needs to stop, I thought I posted drivel army use this is indeed just a cheap ass solution I would go as far as saying prototype or pre production ic used in a retail product the design and spec have not been finalised.

If you want Army grade designs look at Actel even then with the right amount of money and an electron microscope the data can still be ripped straight off the die this design is basic and just looking at it the flash can just be disconnected from the processor and read via normal methods sloppy very sloppy its an external internal flash lmao great work guys.

No data is secure if you don't have the intelligence to hack and reverse engineer a product you simply need to have a big wallet and have the machine dissected by the big boys as has been done here, or maybe if you have the balls to play with acid and be lucky that the flash is not on the same die as is the case here diy.

[n00bpwner360]

This might not the most cost effective solution, but it could work for MS.

Why can't we do $#!t with the flash on the 360? It is in the open and has some nice pins to solder to.

Why? It is signed, you can mess with it, but it won't boot if the checksum of the NAND (decrypted with a key from teh keyvault or 1bl?) doesn't match.

Why not put a super small ROM in the die of a mediatek chipset and put in it a small key. Then put the flash on the outside, or inside, of the mediatek chip and sign the firmware. Problem solved...unless you know the private key, you can't run your own code on the DVD drive, aka, no backups.

But then there is the whole thing of needing instructions to boot from, like on the Xbox 1, so maybe there are boot instructions and the key within the ROM, just the good stuff that runs the drives and interfaces with the 360 inside the external flash. Like on the Xbox 1 kind of.

[frostz]

I hope this whole stupid story with the lite-on will be done very soon. It's taking a quite bit of time now. I just want to be able to flash it. Geremia please PLEASE help the guys figure this out. I know you're busy but you are smart as hell and with your help we'd probably be playing backups in no time. Like you guys are crazy smart and the more knowledge combined, the faster this will go. So please help when you can. I don't know any of this stuff but I'd be glad to donate or something, all I want is for it to be done!

[xsidekick409]

f you want Army grade designs look at Actel even then with the right amount of money and an electron microscope the data can still be ripped straight off the die this design is basic

I have access to an electron microscope that will read down to the nanometer level.  (Chemistry major at college).  I don't really have an idea of what I would be looking for, but I know how to use the equipment properly.  So if it is at all helpful someone could send me the material you want examined and I could send back the pictures.

[n00bpwner360]

Now that sounds like community in action. Get this guy a decapped MTK chip.

[sasoseso]

Now that sounds like community in action. Get this guy a decapped MTK chip.

please noob stop posting u'r $#!t here

[Jimmmy]

There is defintiely a breakthrough on the horizon I am just sitting here with my HDMI Xbox360 salivating over the idea of HDMI and backups, soon all this will be over..  This community has committed warriors so I trust the resolution will happen shortly...  Thanks for all the hard work...

[theurn15]

 >: (Guys stop throwing crap, I think it's the beginning of the end, liteon
fw will be available soon so Microsoft better start thinking about new security model
for noobs it's time to get ready for a possible celebration ,most noobs will say it's so easy to hack
and some say We thought this way from the beginning ! , but withought geremia and c4eva (team), hacking this evil thing is definitely  impossible for 99.9%  of xbox 360 drives  hacking community.
So remember that xbox 360 hacking community. 
 

[notherbastard]

i think the world would be VERY lucky if anything was released before the new dash.
M$ could have ANYTHING planned, to tip your hat too early would be purely, well, stupid.

who knows.

Patience, they allege, IS a virtue...

[n00bpwner360]

There is defintiely a breakthrough on the horizon I am just sitting here with my HDMI Xbox360 salivating over the idea of HDMI and backups, soon all this will be over..  This community has committed warriors so I trust the resolution will happen shortly...  Thanks for all the hard work...

HDMI boxes are out there with Hitachi 79 and BenQ...

[Jimmmy]

There is defintiely a breakthrough on the horizon I am just sitting here with my HDMI Xbox360 salivating over the idea of HDMI and backups, soon all this will be over..  This community has committed warriors so I trust the resolution will happen shortly...  Thanks for all the hard work...

HDMI boxes are out there with Hitachi 79 and BenQ...

I already have one with the drive in reference no taking it back.....

[theurn15]

HDMI boxes are out there with Hitachi 79 and BenQ...

yeah also arcade and pro are out there with   BenQ... but 
when you buy new xbox 360 theres 95% its liteon specially
in u.s.a  ,also if you repair xbox there's a 80% chance that they gonna replace it
With liteon.
 so those money making freaks have faith in liteon security lets hope that
C4eva and his team finish the job quickly before Christmas so that they can enjoy that rate of  games  sales with liteon hacked  !!

[Arakon]

"money making freaks"? where did you live the last 120 years? EVERY company is a "money making freak". that's pretty much the very purpose and goal of companies.

[theurn15]

"money making freaks"? where did you live the last 120 years? EVERY company is a "money making freak". that's pretty much the very purpose and goal of companies.

yeah but "that companies"  don't have Fortune estimated by over a 60 billion $ buddy, also there's no monopoly
System in the world could be comapred with Microsoft monopoly, some competitve managers say that if bi$$ ga$$$ can kill them and get away with it he'll do it just to  remove them from the competition!!!!