Hacked kernel

[MrPhunkee]

Why is it not out in the public yet but kept private?

[leorimolo]

I know there is a hacked kernel out there for devs, but yeah why isnt it out?

[Arakon]

cause it may not be ready yet? cause it's illegal? cause it may not be working yet?
If you want a hacked kernel so badly, why not make your own?

as with ANY software, it's always the decision of the author/hacker wether to make something public, or when.

[hopeful]

cause it may not be ready yet? cause it's illegal? cause it may not be working yet?
If you want a hacked kernel so badly, why not make your own?

as with ANY software, it's always the decision of the author/hacker wether to make something public, or when.

I'm not trying to split hairs, especially not with a board mod, but some of that is a little weak. If I'd be willing to be banned to say one thing, this would be it.

If there is such a thing out (which I doubt) and the reason it's not released is "it's not ready yet, or doesn't actually work". I agree with you about that.

If it's because the author is concerned over legal risks, that's also acceptable. Although it's a wrong law with no right to exist, it's still a law, and we have no right to expect someone to risk himself. I agree with you on that.

However, any other reason is definitely gay, especially when the whole community of experts has been busting their ass trying to make such a thing. I do agree that it's technically "his decision" but if it's just to be stingy, it's perfectly judgeable.

The old "why not make your own" argument has never been worth its salt. It's perfectly reasonable to desire a thing like this if you're willing to help out the cause. I assume they really just want to know 'why'. From that angle, the question is quite valid.

Of course this is all just my outlook, as a person who doesn't believe in copyright, but come on. Design ideas belong to no one, and can't be tagged as 'owned' just because someone made it first. If we stand for that, what else will we stand for?

Of course all of it assumes such a thing even exists, which is doubtful. Have I been living under a rock, or does the topic just sound half baked and rumor-based?

[gigabite]

good things come to people who wait.....

gigabite

[Pitfall6667]

why not make your own?
everybody keeps waiting for one person, which kinda sucks
exploit hv, copy syscall table, do your patches to the hv, restore sc table, jump back to dashboard
must be doable...

[hopeful]

why not make your own?
everybody keeps waiting for one person, which kinda sucks
exploit hv, copy syscall table, do your patches to the hv, restore sc table, jump back to dashboard
must be doable...

The "why not make your own" thing has been played out for a long time. It was never a valid argument and everyone knows that somewhere deep down.

Besides, expert after expert has shown that in this case, it's definitely harder than that. If one really talented coder out of a million happens to stumble upon the expert-illuding secret, then all others worked for naught if he refuses to share the seeds of his knowledge.

However, if people were told that even an EVENTUAL release of something like this was coming out, i'm sure they'd be ecstatic, and willing to be as patient as need be. (With the exception of a few whiners. Who, let's be honest, don't matter anyway.)

But a lot of this is a moot point, since nothing like this was probably ever made, and at the most it's probably a silly rumor.

[loser]

the few responses in this thread is an excellent example of why things of this nature are not public, since all ppl do is whine: why isnt it out?
why cant i have it?
whoever spent all their own time investigating such stuff owes it to the world to give it to everyone for free!

the next time you see someone who has spent their time restoring an old car from a dump back into showroom shine, ask them why they are not out on the street giving ppl free rides in it everyday.

as for "design ideas" not belong to anyone, have you ever heard of the word "designer"? what about research and design groups that spend years and countless dollars designing a process or item. should all those years and dollars be ignored? if there were no way of making back the time and money spent, then such endeavors would not occur.

ill end my little rant here by saying that i am not a big fan of the idea of patents on things that anyone could think up and do. but i also do not expect to get for free that which i could not design or make.

why is it always those who have nothing to offer that expect so much for free?

[Pitfall6667]

why not make your own?
everybody keeps waiting for one person, which kinda sucks
exploit hv, copy syscall table, do your patches to the hv, restore sc table, jump back to dashboard
must be doable...

The "why not make your own" thing has been played out for a long time. It was never a valid argument and everyone knows that somewhere deep down.

Besides, expert after expert has shown that in this case, it's definitely harder than that. If one really talented coder out of a million happens to stumble upon the expert-illuding secret, then all others worked for naught if he refuses to share the seeds of his knowledge.

However, if people were told that even an EVENTUAL release of something like this was coming out, i'm sure they'd be ecstatic, and willing to be as patient as need be. (With the exception of a few whiners. Who, let's be honest, don't matter anyway.)

But a lot of this is a moot point, since nothing like this was probably ever made, and at the most it's probably a silly rumor.

what exactly do the hackers owe you? what exactly has "the scene" (as they call it now) done to deserve hacked firmwares in the first place?
being ignorant? keep posting "how do I hack my drive" on a hacker forum? this place has become the biggest turd of all turds ever since c4e released his hacked xbox firmware. I have absolutely nothing against c4e's contribution, contrarily, I think it's a great thing, since this allows us to run the exploit, but always releasing new firmwares to help turds run their pirated games on xbox live?
want to contribute? stop posting, start reading (surprisingly, there ARE some posts that really can educate you)
if I were to release something like a hacked kernel (mind the "if I were" part ), it would be 4548, nothing more, because anything else would be in a pirate kiddie's advantage.
I'm surprised loser even spent his time to post here.

[hopeful]

Besides the point that this topic is probably complete BS, and NO ONE has been smart enough to get a hacked bios running, it must be said.

Duplicating a design is NOTHING LIKE abusing or stealing PHYSICAL PROPERTY. They are only comparable in retarded wordplay riddled with logic holes. To 'steal' property is to physically remove it from the owners possessions so he no longer has it. A design has no physical form to 'own', can not be 'removed', and in NO way entitles the creator to dictate who builds copies, nor to the right to "potential profits". (no matter HOW long he worked on it.)

A design, and a physical object built with it, are two different things. Of COURSE you can't expect rights to use the physical car OBJECT someone else built. But you TOTALLY have the natural right to examine and duplicate the car (or let machines examine/duplicate it for you) and do as you please with the duplicate. A proper analogy would be "The next time you see someone who has spent their time designing car blueprints, ask them why they think they've got a right to restrict anyone from building the exact same layout." Which is a reasonable question.

But like I said, the whiners don't matter. You don't see ME whining. Instead we have to calmly call out the facts. As a 360 coding community, all of these talented people have been working to realize a dream, both for themselves and others. It is undeniably a bitch move, if one of them discovers it, but then runs away and keeps it to himself, leaving all the information in the dark.

Remember, this isn't just for the homebrew 'fans', it's a collective quest for information among hardware/software experts, who like to then share the info with people with less technical understanding. It's almost a collective group, that support and guide each other to the higher knowledge. If someone actually finds and HIDES the big one, people definitely have a right to judge that harshly.

Also, no one said they expect it 'for free'. The community has supported all of this. Bought the modchips, hosted the files, helped others seeking the same code-running freedom, and sit patiently and understandingly for nothing more than being included in the info sharing. As best as they could at least, since it's sort of a disembodied entity by nature anyway. I speak not so much for the thankless 'game burning' community, but the appreciative homebrew art fans from times when homebrew reigned. I'd like to think it built some pretty good merit for itself.

And pitfall, most true homebrew fans would agree with your idea anyway. I know I would. After all, homebrew is about getting to see community art at its finest, in an interactive form. I'm sure you remember when these places used to be filled with people who loved following all the original projects, not copying games. It's DEFINITELY a bad thing for homebrew that everything has become about burning. I totally agree with that.

The main issue - The topic probably isn't true, but some lame rumor. It is HIGHLY unlikely that someone cracked such a huge puzzle already. (If they EVER will.) That makes it all a moot point anyway.

[Pitfall6667]

get a 4532/4548 box, king kong, patch it with crawler360's serial bootstrap, start exploring...
I'm sure if you ask kindly, people will help you, but nobody's going to feed you like a baby...

[hopeful]

If you're talking to me, you're mistaken. I never requested help even once.

I popped in to correct these kids

I've known about the shader exploit since it first came out. I researched and executed it on my own when it first came out, like I do with everything. But that's not a hacked kernel, it's a hypervisor exploit.

If people start reading this thread and thinking there's gonna be a real homebrew kernel they'll get their hopes up for nothing. It's important to clear that up quick.

[mathieulh]

People just need to stop whining and work on their own.

I don't know if there is a hacked kernel ready out there but I can for sure see a lot of reasons why someone would think twice before releasing any.

[Pitfall6667]

If people start reading this thread and thinking there's gonna be a real homebrew kernel they'll get their hopes up for nothing. It's important to clear that up quick.

yes, detective DS, it's good we're clearing that up real quick, we wouldn't want possibly *millions* of people disappointed because they're contributing so much - wait, my bad - we do want them disappointed.

[hopeful]

Well that's kind of a jerk thing to say.

Sure, not every homebrew fan is smart enough to help CREATE it.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't have it, if possible.

Isn't that why homebrew is created in the first place? So everyone can enjoy it?

I thought fans and the whole homebrew 'feel' prompted more homebrew creations.

And that's good for everybody, right?

Who wants to be an elitist?

Nothing like this exists anyway, so I'm interested how the rumor even came up.

[hopeful]

I guess the main thing that bugs me is

This is just a false rumor, having nothing to do with technical anything.

Yet it's posted in a technical section.

It's surprising the moderators haven't caught this, and moved it to general or garbage.

[Pitfall6667]

homebrew is right here. get xell, gcc-ppc970. it has framebuffer support and all, tmbinc has even released a gpu lib. stop bitching, start coding.

[Shaun]

there probably is a hacked kernel lurking in the depths of 'the scene' but it really isnt much use without a method to boot it.
the retail boxes security is too good at present.
from reading posts the same folk who ported mame, xmbc etc on dev kits probably had a hand in the kernel >insert mod producers names< seeing as they put quite a lot of effort into acquiring dev boxes in the 1st place [/speculate]
all of which is sod all use to joe public...

[Tiros]

Besides the point that this topic is probably complete BS, and NO ONE has been smart enough to get a hacked bios running, it must be said.
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The main issue - The topic probably isn't true, but some lame rumor. It is HIGHLY unlikely that someone cracked such a huge puzzle already. (If they EVER will.) That makes it all a moot point anyway.
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If people start reading this thread and thinking there's gonna be a real homebrew kernel they'll get their hopes up for nothing. It's important to clear that up quick.
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However, if people were told that even an EVENTUAL release of something like this was coming out, i'm sure they'd be ecstatic,
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This is just a false rumor, having nothing to do with technical anything.
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But like I said, the whiners don't matter. You don't see ME whining.

Sounds like whining to me
You did choose an interesting angle to disguise it through insults and denial of existance.

If you think you can antagonize a developer into releasing or confirming/denying status by saying things like this, you are sadly mistaken.

What you personally want, need, or think, means nothing, since you have zero respect.
A simple "good job" from a single respected hacker, means much more than the praise of a million clueless noobs.

why is it always those who have nothing to offer that expect so much for free?

[tmbinc]

People are still mixing up "Homebrew" with "hacked original kernel", they are still not understanding that porting XBMC to a (XDK) 360 is still more than just a matter of recompiling, they do not know that a decent MAME port requires things which the original XDK doesn't provide (self modifying code; that was the main reason why the existing MAME port, which was done using a devkit, is said to perform quite bad on complex stuff), they aren't even considering alternatives and they are generally clueless. But I've spent enough time bitching about that, I'll shut up.

There exists code to reload a kernel. It's not easy, it's doable, requires a lot of knowledge, but has been done (however mainly for a certain different situation which is not relevant for us). But: booting into a non-4532/4548 kernel is going to be complicated and likely requires hardware modifications like a dual-flash mod. Now, does this still sound as sexy? You won't be able to run (newer) games, and you won't be able to go live. Shouldn't be a problem for XDK-warez, though. So, one question: If it won't give you games from HDD (cause we will run an old kernel), if it won't give you XBMC (cause of XDK-XBMC being totally non-portable, relying on x86, little endian, DX8-fixed-function, a fast single-core CPU), if going live will still ban your box (due to microsoft's cleverness in some specific design choices), if it won't boot without using the KK exploit (i.e. still requiring a modified firmware): Is this still the "uberhack" you are waiting for?

I see the main showstopper still in the awkwardness of running the exploit. Hardware hackers, where are you? (It's just my opinion, but I see it as pretty unlikely that there will be any other real exploit in the next few years. Lots of smart people looked at the code. All we could do is to invent new ways to trigger the exploit. But that's off-topic here and has already been discussed without any further result).

Pitfall6667 gets it right: Stop bitching, start coding.