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« on: May 28, 2007, 11:43:24 PM » |
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Us vuln-kern guys need the input of the pros. The people who have been working on and around the fw, hypervisor, and other stuff.
Tons of us are waiting, depriving ourselves of new games, hoping that someone in the scene is still working with at least small footsteps towards 360 homebrew. Holding out for a possible future where we have a wide open kernel like the first xbox.
In the opinion of the pros, is there much chance that someone's still working towards kernel hacks or HB besides linux?
Are we waiting for something that will likely never happen, and should we just stop depriving ourselves of new games... Or is there ANY known progress around the forseeable corner? (No matter how tiny. Is there *any*?)
***Please ONLY respond if you're a knowledgable pro who with an idea of what's going on. Regular guy theoretical BS such as "Everything gets hacked eventually" or "it just takes a long time" are just worthless uninformed life outlooks providing no actual information.
Pros, might we ask you what your thoughts or gut feelings are on this one?
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2007, 07:29:22 AM » |
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Us vuln-kern guys need the input of the pros. The people who have been working on and around the fw, hypervisor, and other stuff.
Tons of us are waiting, depriving ourselves of new games, hoping that someone in the scene is still working with at least small footsteps towards 360 homebrew. Holding out for a possible future where we have a wide open kernel like the first xbox.
In the opinion of the pros, is there much chance that someone's still working towards kernel hacks or HB besides linux?
Are we waiting for something that will likely never happen, and should we just stop depriving ourselves of new games... Or is there ANY known progress around the forseeable corner? (No matter how tiny. Is there *any*?)
***Please ONLY respond if you're a knowledgable pro who with an idea of what's going on. Regular guy theoretical BS such as "Everything gets hacked eventually" or "it just takes a long time" are just worthless uninformed life outlooks providing no actual information.
Pros, might we ask you what your thoughts or gut feelings are on this one?
There was an article on XS about some guy who's been developing MAME 360. (and something else but I can't remember what that was). It was a news item months ago when the HV hack surfaced. Can't tell you anything about what stage its at or if we are likely to see it any time soon but it is 'true' homebrew in the sense you are talking. As for the rest (kernel etc) I'll let the pros respond as I only can offer gut feel and opinion.  |
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2007, 08:33:35 AM » |
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Us vuln-kern guys need the input of the pros. The people who have been working on and around the fw, hypervisor, and other stuff.
Tons of us are waiting, depriving ourselves of new games, hoping that someone in the scene is still working with at least small footsteps towards 360 homebrew. Holding out for a possible future where we have a wide open kernel like the first xbox.
In the opinion of the pros, is there much chance that someone's still working towards kernel hacks or HB besides linux?
Are we waiting for something that will likely never happen, and should we just stop depriving ourselves of new games... Or is there ANY known progress around the forseeable corner? (No matter how tiny. Is there *any*?)
***Please ONLY respond if you're a knowledgable pro who with an idea of what's going on. Regular guy theoretical BS such as "Everything gets hacked eventually" or "it just takes a long time" are just worthless uninformed life outlooks providing no actual information.
Pros, might we ask you what your thoughts or gut feelings are on this one?
Dude, you're asking to hand to you the holy grail for the 360. Ofcourse the scene is working on it. The only problem is, the 360's checks are much, much harder then the XBOX 1. Another thing is: hackers will release updates when they're ready. If you want to see the progress, you should search in this forum on the places where the development is done and shared. A hacker won't put too many time in telling the whole world what tiny steps they make every day, or the giant leap they make once in a while might surface on some points. Likely never happen? Well, Linux and other stuff already runs on 360's that haven't been updated after 9 January, thus the old kernels. If someone can downgrade the upgraded 360's it'll do the same (like the PSP has downgraders). For the rest: you'll just have to wait I guess. But I bet if a hacker is gonna say which tiny progress they made recently, you and I have no use of that technical info as you only are really interested in the enduse of the total hack... |
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2007, 10:01:00 AM » |
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he's not asking the hacker to report on their progress he just wants to know whether anyone is currently working on something beside linux  |
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2007, 10:14:46 AM » |
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Us vuln-kern guys need the input of the pros. The people who have been working on and around the fw, hypervisor, and other stuff.
Tons of us are waiting, depriving ourselves of new games, hoping that someone in the scene is still working with at least small footsteps towards 360 homebrew. Holding out for a possible future where we have a wide open kernel like the first xbox.
In the opinion of the pros, is there much chance that someone's still working towards kernel hacks or HB besides linux?
Are we waiting for something that will likely never happen, and should we just stop depriving ourselves of new games... Or is there ANY known progress around the forseeable corner? (No matter how tiny. Is there *any*?)
***Please ONLY respond if you're a knowledgable pro who with an idea of what's going on. Regular guy theoretical BS such as "Everything gets hacked eventually" or "it just takes a long time" are just worthless uninformed life outlooks providing no actual information.
Pros, might we ask you what your thoughts or gut feelings are on this one?
Check out XS news, just came in now .... XBMC to be ported to Linux .... coincidence i think not  |
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2007, 11:32:10 AM » |
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he's not asking the hacker to report on their progress he just wants to know whether anyone is currently working on something beside linux Yep |
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oddysea
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2007, 12:35:11 PM » |
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he's not asking the hacker to report on their progress he just wants to know whether anyone is currently working on something beside linux Yep Man of few words .... but wot powerful words |
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lokixxx
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2007, 12:37:20 PM » |
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360 linux has no sound or 3D acceleration and it's a X86 port. I think it will be a long while before we see XBMC on the 360.
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2007, 03:04:29 PM » |
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X86 port? what do you mean by that?
Afaik it's running native.
The sound might be a problem yes, but external soundcards through usb could work.
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2007, 05:41:38 PM » |
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Us vuln-kern guys need the input of the pros. The people who have been working on and around the fw, hypervisor, and other stuff.
Tons of us are waiting, depriving ourselves of new games, hoping that someone in the scene is still working with at least small footsteps towards 360 homebrew. Holding out for a possible future where we have a wide open kernel like the first xbox.
In the opinion of the pros, is there much chance that someone's still working towards kernel hacks or HB besides linux?
Are we waiting for something that will likely never happen, and should we just stop depriving ourselves of new games... Or is there ANY known progress around the forseeable corner? (No matter how tiny. Is there *any*?)
***Please ONLY respond if you're a knowledgable pro who with an idea of what's going on. Regular guy theoretical BS such as "Everything gets hacked eventually" or "it just takes a long time" are just worthless uninformed life outlooks providing no actual information.
Pros, might we ask you what your thoughts or gut feelings are on this one?
Check out XS news, just came in now .... XBMC to be ported to Linux .... coincidence i think not XBMC recruiting developers for Linux port >> From the XboxMediaCenter(info) team: Help wanted: As you may or may not have heard, a few developers on Team-XBMC have begun the porting of XBMC to Linux and OpenGL using the SDL toolkit. The goal is for this to become a full port of XBMC containing all the features and functions available on the Xbox version of XBMC. This is a huge task which is why we are making this public request, seeking C/C++ programmers to volunteer in assisting us with this Linux porting development project. Whether you have contributed to The XBMC Project in the past or not, please consider doing so now. Those of you who are completely unfamiliar with XBMC can get a good overview of what XBMC offers for its end-users by reading through the XBMC article on wikipedia.org. The XBMC code structure uses a fairly modular design (with libraries and DLLs), and we think that there are enough modules/libraries to keep a wide skill-level range of developers busy in the porting of them all. So please, take a look at the source code, then with the help of our Linux port To-Do list assess where the porting stage is today and see if there's any areas you'd be willing to help out. Note that we are not abandoning the Xbox hardware - XBMC will be a cross-platform software application, supporting both the Xbox and normal computers, (the 'old' Xbox still have a good amount of years to live we hope). Developers who would like to volunteer should read the Linux porting development project article in our WIKI for more detailed information: http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/?title=Linux_port_projectNote to all end-users! Please understand that this Linux port project is not yet mature enough for you as an end-user to play with, no media can even be played back yet. We can not yet give you an ETA as to when it will be useful for end-users. Respect that we can not accept any bug-reports or feature/function-requests for this Linux port yet. |
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lokixxx
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 10:17:19 PM » |
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http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOW-TO_compile_XBMC_for_Linux_from_source_codePrerequisites
Supported Linux operating-system installed on a computer: Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
x86-based computer. No other special hardware is required for development, as developers can compile using the "make sdl_2d option" (see README.linux). However for end-users the minimum requirement is a 3D GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) that at least supports Shader Model 3.0 and OpenGL 2.0 (and featuring 24bpp or 32bpp for 3D hardware-acceleration support, which XBMC GUI need to run smootly at an acceptable frame-rate). Graphic adapters that support DirectX version 9.0c (and OpenGL 2.0) or later usually meet those mentioned requirements, (Team-XBMC recommends NVIDIA GeForce 6150 or later alternativly Intel GMA X3000 (G965) or later graphics-controllers as those two manufacturers currently offer better device-drivers for Linux than other graphic-adapter manufacturers).
I heard USB sound works, I haven't tried it myself. I'm not sure how stable it is since the USB drivers need work. Our major problem is 3D acceleration. If someone can get 3D acceleration working on the 360. Then I'm sure it won't be too hard to port the XBMC linux source code to run on the PPC64 architecture. But for now this port is focused on x86 architecture based computers with 3D acceleration.
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2007, 11:06:39 PM » |
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Are we waiting for something that will likely never happen, and should we just stop depriving ourselves of new games... Or is there ANY known progress around the forseeable corner? (No matter how tiny. Is there *any*?)
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=7683.0Hopeful.. you might find this "Multiple Kernel box using XD memory card" interesting. You can upgrade to the lastest kernel play whatever new games you want and still run linux. |
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2007, 02:56:23 AM » |
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Thanks for that, to the pros I guess, after all, there is promise holding out for those of us keeping older kernels. Does anyone know if there's any actual kernel hacking type stuff still being attempted/worked on? ******* ******* ******* I feel the need to repeat + paraphrase the following, since one guy still somehow had trouble ***Please DON'T give your mere PHILOSOPHY on this unless you're an actual knowledgable pro.
If you're just a regular guy, don't post BS philosophy such as "Everything gets hacked eventually" or "it just takes a long time" or "______ won't help till we see ______" That crap lacks any actual information and doesn't count or mean anything coming from you. It means nothing to anyone, except "Informationless judgmental know-it-all."
However, if you contributed actual relevant news or kept things on topic, THAT was helpful. (oddysea, parasven, lokixxx, etc.) You guys can tell the difference between helpful and nothing. Even better, you can actually read. I thank you.
Only specialists who are actually in the know, such as TheSpecialist, GaryOpa, c4e, the moderating team, etc... can truly comment using philosophy. (And we thank you guys much)
Thanks once more to those helping us with real information of what kind of things are being worked on. It gives us a good idea whether what we're waiting for could ever come. It truly helps us weigh our expensive options. Much thanks, and hope that someone is still working towards full soft/hard mods. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2007, 02:58:47 AM » |
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Are we waiting for something that will likely never happen, and should we just stop depriving ourselves of new games... Or is there ANY known progress around the forseeable corner? (No matter how tiny. Is there *any*?)
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=7683.0Hopeful.. you might find this "Multiple Kernel box using XD memory card" interesting. You can upgrade to the lastest kernel play whatever new games you want and still run linux. Thank you I do indeed find that interesting. In fact, If I had the hardware and soldering skills to perform that mod, I would do it immediately. I bet that info will help a lot of people. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2007, 03:06:17 AM » |
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tbimc for example WANTS to see linux based homebrew. we want to avoid having that nasty xdk stuff that can only be shared via nasty ways... IF we do homebrew based on linux (maybe linux based dashboard) then we dont have these problems and have true open source for the 360...
thats what everybody wants.
(except for the people who want to play "backups" from a HD...)
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2007, 03:22:44 AM » |
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tbimc for example WANTS to see linux based homebrew. we want to avoid having that nasty xdk stuff that can only be shared via nasty ways... IF we do homebrew based on linux (maybe linux based dashboard) then we dont have these problems and have true open source for the 360...
thats what everybody wants.
(except for the people who want to play "backups" from a HD...)
Oh I agree. It doesn't matter whether it's via linux or a hacked dash. Seeing true homebrew games, emulators and media centers on the power of 360, is the dream. You're right though, I could have been clearer. The question is merely: "Is anyone still working towards a hack (linux or otherwise) that runs at startup (kernel or otherwise) that lets us choose and run homebrew?" |
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2007, 04:12:11 AM » |
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there is work going on on the bootup process and NAND contents... why should we stop working on it  ;-) just takes time... |
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2007, 04:28:34 AM » |
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surrido, will that "work" require the linux kernel versions? Or do you think its safe for me to upgrade to the new kernel |
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2007, 04:34:30 AM » |
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I have NO idea.
remove R6T3, dump your kernel, keep it safe, then upgrade if you want ;-)
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2007, 04:35:28 AM » |
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there is work going on on the bootup process and NAND contents... why should we stop working on it ;-) just takes time... It really helps to hear confirmation someone out there is trying, for homebrew fans who aren't skilled hackers, waiting with faith and hope. Some of us can't pull off duel kernel mods, and are forgoing new games waiting. With the extreme difficulty hackers have described on 360, and the lack of whispers on the wind, the hope benefits hugely from a quick recharge. Even a vague "we're attempting things with bootup or NAND" can be like cocaine to a homebrew fan, and we really appreciate it. Just hearing officially that it's being worked on can make our day. Whether it takes a long time doesn't bother us too much. It just advises us which road to take, when we actually know whether the pros are still fighting. We respect that it's incredibly hard whether there is success or not. Much thanks for the heads up. |
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