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« Reply #60 on: April 02, 2006, 04:13:35 AM » |
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TMF: maybe you should try putting the sd ram back to the original x360 hdd, formatting it, then using it normally, then, put it on the 100gb hdd
i remember that some memories can hold like 3 hours without power
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« Reply #61 on: April 02, 2006, 04:51:31 AM » |
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special HDD low levle tools which can access these area what specific tools does this? even if it is manufactor specific. i looked for such a tool without luck. i have been examining various harddrive utilities from harddrive manufactors. the feature tool for hitachi drives is interesting. its available here http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htmI think he is referring to tools like this http://www.acelaboratory.com/pc3000.htm that can initiate factory mode and access phisical CHS |
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« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2006, 05:41:22 AM » |
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TMF: maybe you should try putting the sd ram back to the original x360 hdd, formatting it, then using it normally, then, put it on the 100gb hdd
i remember that some memories can hold like 3 hours without power
sorry but the SDRAMs are not the same!! I can destroy the hard disk. |
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« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2006, 07:33:26 AM » |
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I have just experimented a little bit with EEPROM data, and something is strangely. http://www.freepler.de/userdaten/38928917/bilder/xbox360/eeprom_tests.jpgI have changed the firmware rev. and programmed it back to eeprom = sometimes the drive was recognized in xbox360 and PC and with other combinations not. http://www.freepler.de/userdaten/38928917/bilder/xbox360/program.gifI tried thise combinations, the xbox360 and PC has recognized the hard disk, but the firmware was still original 'C60D' A60E D60D C70D E60E C60X C67D C66D C666 C77D C00D C11D C22D C33D thise combinations are not accepted by the Hard disk in xbox360 and PC. The xbox360 turns on, but only black screen. and also the same error lights and no drive spinning. XXXX C000 C111 C222 C333 6666 CCCC C777 Does somebody know what this could signify?  edit: If the xbox360 is in dashboard, and then I put the eeprom out, so all works still perfectly. I can watch movies, play xbox and xbox360 games or format the drive. no problem. That means that this eeprom is required for boot and reboot. |
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« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2006, 08:56:43 AM » |
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maybe you could try that eeprom on the other non-xbox360 hdds? i wonder what would happen
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« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2006, 09:38:50 AM » |
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maybe you could try that eeprom on the other non-xbox360 hdds? i wonder what would happen
the problem is that my 100GB Toshiba drive doesn´t have the eeprom. Next week I will buy same Hitachi model, 40GB or 60GB |
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« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2006, 10:10:29 AM » |
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ok hopefully it will work  |
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« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2006, 12:29:50 PM » |
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Hehe, I was just starting to believe you about the SDRAM, TMF  it seemed SO strange though, I'm glad it wasn't due the SDRAM Anyway, there's still something very weird about your results: are you sure this is not recognized in pc?
HDD_2 + (SN_2 + hash_2) + board_2 + SDRAM_2 + EEPROM_3 = no join and recognition in xbox360 and PC
Yes I´m sure. HDD_2 doesn´t work with EEPROM_3 and HDD_3 doesn´t work with EEPROM_2 too. That could mean that HDD is married to this EEPROM, right?? Well, if this was the case, then this shouldn't work: HDD_2 + (SN_3 + hash_3) + board_2 + SDRAM_2 + EEPROM_3 = works fine in xbox360 and PC HDD2+EEPROM3 works fine !?!?! So still, there's something very strange about your results, and again, I'm hoping you did something wrong Because if you did not, it is a VERY weird puzzle... What I expected: * Either the board+hdd+eeprom are married (not the case according to your results) or * The board+hdd are married and the eeprom should match the SN+hash to work in the 360, but shouldn't matter in the PC (also not the case according to your results). So, I'm still puzzled .. . BTW, I'm guessing that the 'marriage' of the board is in the MPU, I'm guessing the MPU contains the 'main' FW |
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« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2006, 02:00:28 PM » |
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HDD2+EEPROM3 works fine !?!?! So still, there's something very strange about your results, and again, I'm hoping you did something wrong Because if you did not, it is a VERY weird puzzle...
oh, thx that was copy/paste mistake I have just changed it! * result: hdd (mechanical part) + eeprom are married. |
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« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2006, 02:35:41 PM » |
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HDD2+EEPROM3 works fine !?!?! So still, there's something very strange about your results, and again, I'm hoping you did something wrong Because if you did not, it is a VERY weird puzzle...
oh, thx that was copy/paste mistake I have just changed it! * result: hdd (mechanical part) + eeprom are married. Ok, now it makes sense So the board (I guess the MPU) + EEPROM + HDD are married and the SN/hash is used by the 360 to verify ... Unfortunately, because of this marriage, we can't check if it verifies the data with the EEPROM data or the 'board' data (MPU ?). BTW, I don't know how hard it is to swap the MPU, otherwise you could try: HDD2+board3+MPU2+EEPROM2+SN2+hash2, to find out if it's really the MPU that's causing the marriage ... |
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« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2006, 05:17:25 PM » |
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uhm.. I hope you are aware that opening the drive will at the very least result in data loss, or in the worst case a totally unusable HDD?
and yes, that's the IC he means.
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« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2006, 05:40:30 PM » |
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Yep, that's the one I'm guessing it contains the FW. But I guess it won't be too easy to desolder and resolder it... But I think it's better to start looking at one of the other HD's. It seems that the Seagate has also embedded FW in the controller (that 'smooth' chip seems to be the 'motor driver'), but it seems that the Sammy has a dedicated chip for the FW, that :5AAN8ETAG4' chip. Well, I'm really not sure here, could also be something else, but it looks like a FW chip to me But then again, I'm really not a HW guy, so I'd like to here other opinions on this chip ... BTW, the controller on the Sammy is a 'Marvell 88i6526', but I can't seem to find any info on it ... |
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« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2006, 06:18:32 PM » |
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My samsung is sporting a TI "5AAE6XTAG4". I would remove it and try to dump it but its a 54 pin package, don't think the willem can handle it without an adapter of some sort?
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« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2006, 06:43:37 PM » |
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I think is not a flash memory, but the motor driver instead.
As occurs in many maxtor drives, marvell chip contain fw. Somethimes maxtor drives have an addictional 25P10 eprom, sometimes not (but have the place to solder the 25P10), don't know exactly but seems that contains an entire firmware, maybe replacing the internal one.
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« Reply #75 on: April 02, 2006, 06:46:17 PM » |
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Hmm... if that Texas Instruments chip is a motor driver ... then all the 3 controllers have the FW embedded, which sucks big time I think it's impossible to dump such embedded FW via hardware methods, right ? *EDIT* I can't find any info on this specific chip (TLS2502), but found a "TLS2205" from TI which is a ... motor driver See also: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/slfs040/slfs040.pdfSo you're probably right, Geremia ... So unless we find a way to reflash the embedded FW's, it's going to be a tough job to get a bigger HD running in the 360 ... But, there is hope, since the ATA 'brother' of the hitachi has FW that is flashable via software... |
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« Reply #76 on: April 02, 2006, 07:10:00 PM » |
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why couldn't the harddrive firmware be stored on the platter?
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« Reply #77 on: April 02, 2006, 07:13:33 PM » |
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why couldn't the harddrive firmware be stored on the platter?
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« Reply #78 on: April 02, 2006, 07:44:22 PM » |
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what about the 512 Kbit flash memory on the Seagate? what do you think it stores. as arakon pointed out it is a 25P05avg http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/8624.pdfi would attempt to dump this chip from my seagate but i am not sure if my willem can read that type of chip. I just got the thing and am not very famialiar with it. I might try to build something to work with ponyprog. i know it supports SPI eeproms perhaps this spi flash might be readable. |
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« Reply #79 on: April 02, 2006, 07:48:30 PM » |
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Hmm.. missed that chip and the post about it Yeah, I guess 512Kbit COULD be enough to store the complete FW ... interesting I guess you don't have 2 Seagates, Bluecop ? Would be very interesting to try similar experiments as TMF did, for example: HDD1+board2+EEPROM1 => If this works, this would be VERY good news |
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