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« on: August 01, 2006, 01:19:59 AM » |
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Hello, Just a thought. Will it be possible M$ is going to check on the fly for the FW Hack? Not after a dash update, but just download some kind of program into xbox memory and run it... When the program detected the FW hack it report it to M$. (sounds crazy, but if they made the xbox do someting like this, they can just run any kind of programs without updating the console itself) For a dash update the user must give there authorisation, but then there will be an update insite the console. In memory it will be temporary and maybe legal (  ) |
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gorgon
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2006, 07:00:50 AM » |
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I am very curious about this too because i have neither the money or patience to crack open my xbox360 and swap my dvd-rom out for another one in the event that they detect hacked firmware. I am hoping that in the event that microsoft does have the ability to check for hacked firmware, that it will simply overwrite it and not ban you. its a real pain opening up that white box with all the notches, etc. and hooking it up to your pc. and if they could ban you would it be based on mac address ? horrible stuff. i really would like a more definitive insight on how this is going to be handled from microsoft side. granted, things wont be so bad with dual layer verbatims being so high in cost. |
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2006, 07:03:39 AM » |
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Well yes Ms can check on the fly via xbox live,most of the chips on the motherboard and the dvd drive are flashable.So they can flash on the fly,they just haven't done anything about the hacked fw as of yet.
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oriadd
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2006, 12:54:46 PM » |
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while we are still on the fly topic...HOW ABOUT ON THE FLY HACKED FIRMWARE FLASHING/RESTORING?   haha good one, add to that.. on the fly xbox live unbanning  skEwb, your answer is gibberish because you misunderstood bigcat entirely.. a proper response would have been more like " haha good one, add to that... on the fly xbox live banning ' ..course.. that would still be gibberish because they do THAT already. bigcat, since I understand your concern I'll at least try to answer it to the best of my ability. of COURSE they can reflash your firmware on the fly. I , for one, would just flash it right back.. but the concern on the Scene since the whole firmware hack started.. has been what will micro do to keep us from using the hacked firmware.. possibly a dashboard update that wont run without original firmware? who knows. But I figure when they get around to it, this will stop working. for now just play C= |
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2006, 02:03:37 PM » |
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looks like we need on the fly joke detection  |
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2006, 02:08:30 PM » |
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looks like we need on the fly joke detection Seriously... what a dumbass. lol and who the hell says gibberish? I mean, come on. Does the closest still have a no vacancy sign on it oriadd? Or we just trying to get off the first post mark? On a serious note, "since I understand your concern i'll at least try to answer it to the best of my ability" I would suggest reading up on the drive modchips that have been available for quite sometime now and available by several vendors. They provide the ability to do "on-the-fly" flashing, and protects from being overwritten. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2006, 04:14:05 PM » |
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hey guys, how about on-the-fly-n00b-banning? that would be awesome because we would have a cleaner technical discussion section  |
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creatox
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2006, 12:59:39 AM » |
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hey guys, how about on-the-fly-n00b-banning? that would be awesome because we would have a cleaner technical discussion section I totaly agree (would it be possible  ) |
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2006, 02:12:56 AM » |
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oh well, I'll bite
Irascible, skewbs post was the very first in this thread that was in any way possibly talking about the modchips ( which I was already aware of if it bothers you I might not have been) . I was simply irritated that it didn't appear that swewb realized what the topic of the thread was just reflashed firmware.
Uberfry, ease off, I humbly apologize for speaking in simple general terms in the xbox 360 general chat forums.
and creotox, there are two things we agree on 1) Micro hasn't decided to care about this yet and 2) there are too many n00b questions.. we coudl look at the on-the-fly-n00b banning.. a possibility might be an auto-ban after the first post.. until such time as a moderator has checked it to see if that n00b can be allowed to post. I don't think that'd work out because the moderators would get tired of it and that first post might just be 'c4eva you rock dude!!'
Maybe they can write the system so you can't post until you've read 50 threads or something.. even that wouldn't get rid of the n00b questions but it sure would mean the n00b would at least have to go through the effort of reading.
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2006, 02:36:02 AM » |
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I fully understand the topic and I just thought it was funny to have on the fly firmware reflashing if they caught you and banned you off live.. sure you could still play backups locally but you'd lose live.. I found that ironic and therefore I posted and made a joke. wait i forgot.... the point still is hacked firmware flashing/restoring on the fly!!!!! durrrrrr.. i get it now guys! i just had to read the thread like 400 times, im so retarded.. please forgive me for the earlier jokes i just... i must have been HIGH!  |
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2006, 02:41:10 AM » |
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oh well, I'll bite
Irascible, skewbs post was the very first in this thread that was in any way possibly talking about the modchips ( which I was already aware of if it bothers you I might not have been) . I was simply irritated that it didn't appear that swewb realized what the topic of the thread was just reflashed firmware.
Uberfry, ease off, I humbly apologize for speaking in simple general terms in the xbox 360 general chat forums.
and creotox, there are two things we agree on 1) Micro hasn't decided to care about this yet and 2) there are too many n00b questions.. we coudl look at the on-the-fly-n00b banning.. a possibility might be an auto-ban after the first post.. until such time as a moderator has checked it to see if that n00b can be allowed to post. I don't think that'd work out because the moderators would get tired of it and that first post might just be 'c4eva you rock dude!!'
Maybe they can write the system so you can't post until you've read 50 threads or something.. even that wouldn't get rid of the n00b questions but it sure would mean the n00b would at least have to go through the effort of reading.
Newsflash anti-carpet muncher, you are the n00b. You couldn't depict a joke, and a simply one at that. Also, don't tell uberfry to ease off... especially since 2/3 of your posts are pointless and newbish... not to mention consecutive. Also, quit rambling... it's more annoying than the migrane we are all receiving reading your crap. "of COURSE they can reflash your firmware on the fly" You have no idea what they can/can't do, theoritically yes they can... and they can also take a huge risk of hosing thousands of drives. The toshiba doesn't have a backup rom, the hitachi's do. Regardless... bad flash on those drives will more than likely brick the consoles. Also, your comment about skewb... makes absolutely no sense whatsover. The first mention of modchips was made by me, and was a logical and short response to this thread. How about you trying this approach after accomplishing a couple of tasks for us.. 1. stfu 2. dust it off and remove yourself from the closest 3. pass high school, it will teach you how to do research before opening your gap. k, thx |
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2006, 02:34:53 PM » |
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My 360 has a Toshiba drive, so I'd never paid attention to the Hitachi details. Knowing that it's less of a risk to flash the firmware on half of the drives might just let M$ worry a bit less about bricking. ( I say half the drives but I haven;t found any information on a real ratio between Tosh and Hitachi drives anywhere ) On the other hand, they could work it like s0ny does for the PSP firmware and simply have the software give you an agreement that states you either accept the risk of bricking or you don't go any further.
As for the issue that we don't know what M$ can do, ( and it's their box, I doubt they can't do anything with it that our techies at the end-user level can figure out) while one hopes for the best.. always plan for the worst.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2006, 05:19:02 PM » |
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My 360 has a Toshiba drive, so I'd never paid attention to the Hitachi details. Knowing that it's less of a risk to flash the firmware on half of the drives might just let M$ worry a bit less about bricking. ( I say half the drives but I haven;t found any information on a real ratio between Tosh and Hitachi drives anywhere ) On the other hand, they could work it like s0ny does for the PSP firmware and simply have the software give you an agreement that states you either accept the risk of bricking or you don't go any further.
As for the issue that we don't know what M$ can do, ( and it's their box, I doubt they can't do anything with it that our techies at the end-user level can figure out) while one hopes for the best.. always plan for the worst.
Service level agreements are for the use and obtaining a copy of the software, it basically states "it's ours, you mess with it you are breaking the law". It has nothing to do with the effect it has on the hardware. With the PSP, there are many games that require a firmware version. If there firmware hoses your hardware from working, they are responsible to make it work again. the PSP has is built with recovery, which is why people are able to crash land back to 1.5 in most cases. The toshiba drives don't have this ability, and microsoft is well aware of this. It would be more practical for them to come up with a solution that checks to see if it's messed with rather than try to overwrite it and brick boxes they would have to repair and would cost them millions. I know this, because I do research.... |
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2006, 10:13:35 PM » |
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OR, a lot of that is obvious to the typical electronics enthusiasst Personally, I don't know why people even think microsoft would flash your firmware back... Did they every try to do that in the past? No. Not like they have really had the opporotunity to, however it would just be much better to ban them from live. They aren't going to cat and mouse with us(although it would be much easier if they did). They will just do a check, which drive, compare the checksum, ban. easy as that. Most people like to use live, so that would be very discouraging to the average end user. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2006, 11:29:31 PM » |
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OR, a lot of that is obvious to the typical electronics enthusiasst Personally, I don't know why people even think microsoft would flash your firmware back... Did they every try to do that in the past? No. Not like they have really had the opporotunity to, however it would just be much better to ban them from live. They aren't going to cat and mouse with us(although it would be much easier if they did). They will just do a check, which drive, compare the checksum, ban. easy as that. Most people like to use live, so that would be very discouraging to the average end user. exactly |
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2006, 08:13:39 AM » |
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Maybe for the time being they don't mind hacked drives? It seems all M$ cares about with the Xbox is market share. And I'm sure these firmware hacks have sold many Xboxs so far... So I'd venture to say they won't do much about until at least after the PS3 is out the door.
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