The wode is coming, the Wode is coming !! No x360key dumbass.....

[muller1000]

If this is turns out to be true this will interesting to see what M$ do about it. However, no samples have been produced or sent out to anyone to test or verify. C4eva can have a bit of a holiday if this pans out.

http://x360key.com/

[nickcas]

If it's from the same people who made PS3Key and WiiKey, you can expect it to be true. Also, they have posted a video.

[mat989]

I think M$ will do to them what $ony did to the JB team...and I wouldn't blame M$!

[morenomdz]

For those who missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE_0B5TObx0&feature=channel_video_title

I don't know about you guys, but for the next two years I am pretty sure M$ will be focusing on some new hardware, with the Café thing coming and everything else the 360 won't handle for three years, and everyone knows they will have a better and better build machine than the first 360 models were. If it is really from the ps3key / wiikey dudes it is probably true and something good might be on it is way out. Lets wait and see.

[ZerOneX]

I bet all my credits that this dongle is "borning" almost dead!!!

Just like the jailbreak on ps3!!

JTAG is still undefeatable

[l_oliveira]

I find it hilarious because I was talking with a fellow member of this forum through MSN about this, like four days ago... And my line of thought was:

"Since Microsoft is blocking hacks to the DVD drive and modifying the disc layout to be impervious to hacking by making the game data occupy all of the disc usable space, hackers will have no room for the response tables the custom firmware requires. This will bring either a method to store the responses externally on some sort of flash storage like a SD card or maybe a full DVD drive emulator..."

Seems like it will be the full drive emulator. 

[MohsinNisar]

learning from the features please correct me.
Does this mean that Jtag is not necessary for this device to work. And it will mimic dvd drive without the need of jtag and on any firmware to date?

EDIT
never mind. Got my answer. No Jtag or dvd firmware flashing needed.

[N1CKY1809]

So I'm guessing you still have to run retail code ? But have the ability to play games from USB ?

Wont this be easily detectable for M$ ?

[MastaG]

I think it emulates a dvd-rom drive.
It just reads your iso from usb drive and then pretends its a dvd is inserted.. it'll probably get you banned.

[l_oliveira]

I think it emulates a dvd-rom drive.
It just reads your iso from usb drive and then pretends its a dvd is inserted.. it'll probably get you banned.

That just depends on how good the emulation is, you know...  Also it means MS won't be very happy about having to sink more money on R&D to counter it.

[MastaG]

True, but I don't think they'll be like Sony going all over their asses.
The device doesn't support all slim consoles yet and even the XDG3 format hasn't been tackled yet.
That's why they probably mention it supports "most" Xbox 360 and Xbox 1 games.

To be honest I'm not really into playing iso files from some usb device.
I'm really hoping a new unsigned code exploit will emerge before the 360 goes end of life.
Then hopefully linux will get more attention and more homebrew will popup.
In terms of a  new exploit I wonder what communication goes between the dvd-rom drive and the usb key.
Since the device sits between the sata-bus and the dvd-rom drive I think it extracts the firmware from the dvd-rom drive so it can properly emulate itu sing it's dvd-key.

[MohsinNisar]

I was thinking that do we need the dvd key too. I mean xbox 360 needs dvd key to decrypt data. So assuming this is emulation of the dvd drive do we need to enter dvd key into this emulation box or whatever it is.

[Gazcoigne]

yawn

while on the outside this looks promising and has all the pirate kiddiez screaming with joy, IMHO this will bomb out on the first m$ update.

what happens when you update to the beta dash and the console tries to rewrite the fw? brick!!

surely the timings for challenges/responses etc would not match up using this kit? BAN!!

IMHO this would stick out 100 times more than the current LT fw, which has worked for the last year or so, and has forced m$ hand, showing they can and will flash the drive fw during an update.

one positive is that none of the currently released iso's would work either as the drive emulator would require a 1:1 copy of the disc rather than an Ixtreme patched one, which will piss the warez kiddies off also (nice!!). hence you would need to rip your own copy rather than leeching it (good for us peeps who actualy back up our own $#!t)

plus you will also need to retrieve your DVD key, which is pretty much 75% of the dvd fw hack anyway.
God i'm glad i have my JTAG!!

[Arakon]

DVD key can be gotten in a passthrough way, along with proper osig etc.. no need to manually dump it. As for flashing the drive, it should be fairly easy to catch the flashing commands and block them.. if the dash even tries to flash it.. it sees an unmodified drive afterall. This mod just needs to feed the console the disk data, and leave the entire hardware identification to the unmodified drive itself.
Timing should actually be better with this, since the cpu used is much more powerful than the small controller on a dvd drive and a "slow" laser.

[Gazcoigne]

DVD key can be gotten in a passthrough way, along with proper osig etc.. no need to manually dump it. As for flashing the drive, it should be fairly easy to catch the flashing commands and block them.. if the dash even tries to flash it.. it sees an unmodified drive afterall. This mod just needs to feed the console the disk data, and leave the entire hardware identification to the unmodified drive itself.
Timing should actually be better with this, since the cpu used is much more powerful than the small controller on a dvd drive and a "slow" laser.

my understanding is that all traffic on the dvd sata bus is encrypted with the dvdkey

how are you able to obtain that key without decryption?

would this not lead into dvd key retrieval for unmoddable drives?

also the video released doesnt have a dvd drive attached. ideas?

reading this

http://i.imgur.com/sSaq0.png

shows the data is being converted from SATA - PATA - SATA, would this not introducesome sort of timing issue?

if this works, it will be good, but i see a lot of hurdles to get over before its as good as a WODE, and is live safe.

[l_oliveira]

Only authentication and game reading/playing related activity are encrypted. That's why before MS abolished E66 error, it would only trigger if the DVD key was correct. If the DVD key is wrong the drive won't auth with the motherboard. DVD-Video, CD-ROM, Audio-CD and standard DVD-ROM discs still play fine.

[B1N4RY]

shows the data is being converted from SATA - PATA - SATA, would this not introducesome sort of timing issue?

Game loading time will be impacted, and the speed varies depending on the chipsets used. Either way, the timing delays wouldn't be significant enough for your game to "lag". Don't forget that hard drives and higher end flash drives have a much faster reading speed to begin with comparing to DVD+R DLs

[Geremia]

well, dvdkey can't be obtained from a man in the middle approach, console in step1 chooses a random (session)aes key and encrypt it with dvdkey, so you can't even sniff and replay.

[Gazcoigne]

shows the data is being converted from SATA - PATA - SATA, would this not introducesome sort of timing issue?

Game loading time will be impacted, and the speed varies depending on the chipsets used. Either way, the timing delays wouldn't be significant enough for your game to "lag". Don't forget that hard drives and higher end flash drives have a much faster reading speed to begin with comparing to DVD+R DLs

youve misunderstood me, i was referring to the challenge/response timings that caused the original iXtreme to be detected, not how fast the game loads.

[HB]

youve misunderstood me, i was referring to the challenge/response timings that caused the original iXtreme to be detected, not how fast the game loads.

I don't know for certain, but I believe the challenge/response time issue was related to the security sectors being located in a different physical location on burned discs.  As such, the drive's read-head had to move further on burned discs than on legit discs, and the time discrepency was identifiable.  I know that on my system, you can hear a very significant difference in drive activity depending on whether you use a legit disc or a burned disc of the same game when the game first starts up.  LT likely gets around this issue by not blindly moving the heads around, or perhaps caching security info.

To contrast, latency involved in going from SATA<->PATA<->SATA is much smaller than the time differences involved in moving the read-head (microseconds vs milliseconds).  That doesnt' mean they can't identify it if their SATA controller has the debug hooks to allow for it, but without debug info available in the SATA controller, resolving time discrepencies at that resolution will be very difficult.

Bare in mind that I reserve the right to be completely wrong on this issue.