Xbox 360 Info

[xboxuser369]

First of all I have made a lot of speculations but not all of them are correct here is a list of what I know is fact after seeing the screen shots of the demo disk, and other sources.

Speculations and facts

1.) Because they are using a G5 PowerPC cpu maybe they are running a recoded version of "windows NT 4 for PowerPC" they probably encoded with a lot of GUI and software updates such as some xp code, Directx, and security. They also more then likely pulled the unneeded code to fit in on a smaller area. This is FACT, because on the demo disk there is a file called .exe and their template for adding new demos is an .exe file format, and its easier road to go down the to make a OS from scratch.


2.) What is that dang 7 gigs used for on the 20 gig hard drive I called tech support wondering why I don't have a full 20 gigs they said its "reserved for system files" this bugs me what the heck could MS have on there that takes up so much dam space since a core system doesn’t even need HD to run and a core is the same dam thing with out a HD. So I stared up my think cap and came up with it the old xbox hard drives wore around 8-10 gigs maybe this is a secret portions for all the old xbox files. It would make since this is a speculation.

3.) Why I believe number 2 is correct and my 3rd and last idea that I know is fact now. Back about 2 years ago MS bought a company called connectix I believe that’s the name. They made Virtual PC for the Mac and right after they came out with Virtual pc for the windows environment MS snagged them off the market. I believe if you fallow the time line of MS spokes person “Vrignaud” saying they developed security for 2 1/2 years. That would put it at the right timetable to have the architecture pick and them to need software to emulate a PC if they went with a PowerPC CPU such as the G5 This hardens the point of fact number 1 because they would need to have code written to work in windows to recode to work with PowerPC running a windows OS for emulating a PC. Now since they want seem less intergation with old xbox games and the new xbox 360 it would only make since that they would use a real portion on the on the 20 hard drive and the reason for it only being 7 gigs is because it don't need to hold saves the integration allows you to store your saves in your profile on the xbox 360 side of things. This is FACT because they have xbox 360's that can play xbox games.

So this is what I have gathered more then likely MS's xbox 360 will be a easy softmod if people can figure out how to do it I don't know how to program but the fact is, I have provided some facts and speculations that I hope will lead to some real head way in to cracking the so called unhackable console.

[Arakon]

as for 2), cache space, savegame space, for both 360 games and xbox games. the old box uses 8 gig already, the actually reduced that amount for the emulation.

the rest of your stuff makes very little sense. the extension doesn't mean $#!t, it could probably be called default.porn and still run cause the header is that of an executable.

[xboxuser369]

Well that would be true if it was for the fact that it runs .exe and .xex as xbox360 executables and .ebx as xbox as for the header i belive that would be in all executable files no matter so you would be right in that aspect but the OS has to except an extion for it to do what its told.. So the .exe would more then likely be leftover of time when it used .exe, as for the rest of what I said it makes perfect since. You just don't know what to do with it. One example of how it would be useful is say you make an application with the "windows NT4 PowerPC" like a replacement GUI "explore.exe" DUH! and another example is the Defalut.XEX xbox emulator update that has a xboxkrnl.exe in it or something to that effect. It is very obvious that they used a OS that was already made because they spent to little time 3 years or so in development you can't make a OS from scratch with that time frame that is this tested and refined.

If you can’t fallow what I am saying then maybe you need to stop read think do, lookups on what I am saying and discover for your self what, because really this form is about sharing and knowing you’re your stuff will help you to hack the system.


please don't pick on something that is just provide as some help full info, when you don't have a leg to stand on.

EDIT: and I have a modded xbox and the total space that the xbox uses is far less then 8 gigs with out save games.  and 7 gigs would be closer to just the system files for for the old xbox but that is just a speculation.

I own both xbox 360 Prem
and xbox softmodded.

[Arakon]

I give up. no, it's not running windows NT.and until you learn to make sense, I'm not gonna bother trying to decipher your writing either, it's hard as hell to read.

[xboxuser369]

THIS IS WHY I DON'T POST.


DUDE I Didn't say they wore using " Just windows NT IT'S SELF" i said they are using it for the core of the OS with some major revaps"xp code, Directx, and security,Emulations"and they can do this easy as they have the source code for all of the OS's and recompling would be far easier, then build a OS in 3 years I mean dam 3 years for a OS that looks like that on a CPU they have done very little with other then NT4! Yep you must be right becuase apple took only what 20 years to get there os to look that go on a PowerPC and work that well, oh they used BSD wait maybe thats what Microsoft is using BSD(that would be a cold day in HELL). and Microsoft is known for there speed to market an OS lets see vista was supose to be out what 2 years ago now? Dude the only other os they make that that even understands how to work with a RISC Based cpu is windows CE (AKA windows Moblie), I think a G5 is sisc based anyways.

IDEA: I guess they could use code from thier windows NT4 PowerPC and Windows CE and DirectX to make a model for thier xbox 360 OS but the point is at its core it is using windows NT for PowerPC its the only way they could come to market in time. Barring a total marical in OS DESIGN. becuase they would still have to make a GUI for the box 360 and embed crap for it to keep people from modding it. well hmmm I guess if I team of about 100 programers over 3 years i could make a OS from scratch too NOT!

 IT makes even more since when you know the only way to play a old xbox game on a xbox 360 would be to emulation a Intel based cpu. they bought a company that made software to do just that the ONLY OS's that this company made the software for is WINDOWS and MAC OS.

EDIT: as for it not being writen correctly I Don't write english very well sorry dude. Maybe there is a miss-comunication. but the fact is I have many suporting facts that I am right. Its like a puzzle if the peaces fit then DUH.  and when fact 5 facts line up like that


1.) the only PowerPC OS they have ever made before was windows NT
2.) they bought a company right after they anounced that they can now run the Virtual PC on a windows system.
3.) the files are made to be a .xex or exe to run under xbox 360 native (a .exe is what almost every version of windows uses as an executable)
4.) they really don't have the time to make a OS from sratch.
5.) the first xbox ran a simple copy of windows 2000 scaled down with a deffrent GUI. so they are know for recyceling OS's

sure you may be able to shoot down one or two of those but the thing I think is  important is the emulation thing.

that also has many facts to prove it.

1.) you need a hard drive that happens to have about 7 gigs hiddin from the factory and if the OS for the xbox is about 7 gigs then it wouldn't be costefective to put it on a chip but a hidden partion would be costefective.
2.) I booted halo 2 in my xbox and went to play live and it took me to the old xbox dash board to update the xbox live settings so it I know at least it has the old system on it some were.
3.) when people do a DD of the hard drive its just carp so maybe thats becuase there is 2 partions.
4.) the MS suport staff said " It's for xbox system files" maybe they ment just that its not for xbox 360 system files but ment for old xbox system files.

ok sorry again if it's not very readable.

I bet you could softmod the xbox 360 "xbox emulation files" that would be a big start to modding the xbox 360.

[xboxuser369]

UPDATE I have done a bunch of tests and it will not run i guess its called unsigned xbox 1 code. on a copied media and it will also not run signed or xbox 1 code I tested it with dvd-r , dvd+r , cd-r. with no luck the unsign code i tested was XBMC and EVOX and XSNES the games wore Halo 2 and a demo of an older game that would fit on cd. Halo2 i own so i was with in my legal right to copy it how ever the copy doesn't work so i guess its not really a matter of legality.

[MacDennis]

UPDATE I have done a bunch of tests and it will not run i guess its called unsigned xbox 1 code. on a copied media and it will also not run signed or xbox 1 code I tested it with dvd-r , dvd+r , cd-r. with no luck the unsign code i tested was XBMC and EVOX and XSNES the games wore Halo 2 and a demo of an older game that would fit on cd. Halo2 i own so i was with in my legal right to copy it how ever the copy doesn't work so i guess its not really a matter of legality.

Don't waste your time.
XBOX1 / X360 executables are signed in such a way that they are only allowed to run from DVD-ROM / pressed media. Even if you copy a disc then the executables are *still* signed. No you can't hack/crack the signature. No you can't change the executable because of the signature.

Every executable needs to be signed otherwise it will be rejected. No you can't sign them yourself. No we don't have the key to make these signatures. No we can't brute force this key.

Enjoy playing games on your X360 and stop wasting time. 

[xboxuser369]

I was hoping. you never know but i am sure people have tested that, but if your going going to miss something it would more then likely be something small.  i am not asking for a hack or anything ilegal just wanted to find a why to back up my halo 2 disc becuase its not loading half the time any more. and thatis fully legal. but I don't think it will be simple at all.

[mueez]

Play your backup on the old Xbox 

[Hoss]

the powerpc hasen't even been out 20 years, and apple switched to them about 6-7 years ago i think.  before that all they used were motorola chips.  If someone who knows more about this stuff tells you that you are wrong, don't be an ass and argue pointlessly, go find proof and show it.  If you find no proof, then YOU ARE WRONG!

[xboxuser369]

first off he is wrong even free360.org or what ever they call them selfs say that 7 gigs is used for a xbox xfat for the old system files for emulating the xbox 1 thats how they copied the save games over dude. anyways more then that though the power pc has been around longer then 6 or 7 years and motorola is the company that makes the chips either the 68k or the powerpc they also make the g3 g4 and g5 however ibm owns motorola now so you could say that g5 are made by IBM. infact the first powerpc was release back in 1994 thats like lets see about 12 years ago. the first g3's and g4's wore release in 1997 or 1998 i think anyways. When it comes to computers I know my stuff thats why I was telling that guy he was wrong becuase he didn't know his stuff. It as also been proven that you can mod the 7 gig xfat system files however there would be no point as it wouldn't get your xbox 360 backups going and all the software like xbmc will not run on the emulation. Its allso a sure bet that MS is using the  connectix Vurtual PC with an embedd OS that they came up with off of using windows 2000 for powerpc.

Thats right I Know what OS  MS used. found out from a friend that they had a final bata of windows 2000 developed for powerpc with g3 and g4 support it wouldn't take any time at all to right in 64 bit info for the g5 and optomize it. and since thats the OS (windows 2000)  they based the first xbox on its a fair bet they would go with what they no and optomize it for the hardware. I know how they even do the os its an embedded OS i just got a new embedded XP system and I can tell you it has 512 meg encription so you can lock the chip this would be logical becuase it would make it very hard to hack do to the hardwired encription in to the 512 meg flash chips.

so to state what I have learn from MS in the past and the direction they are going on the pc side of things its a simple matter of deduction

1 they wasted most RnD on secrity 2 1/2 years. 
2 the first xbox was made with off the shelf pc parts for the most part
3 they used and os they had with some heavy modifications for the first xbox
4 think MS lazy  becuase they are the easy way is the way to do it.
 
now for known facts
1 the 7 gig hidden partion is infact a xfat like I stated it is.
2 they are using for lack of a better word a stock G5
4 as for the dashboard I notice its very graphic and more then likely it needs a lot of space for everthing to it. OS size in all
5 with new flash chip encription they can lock the chip so only the a cpu with a id could lunch it. that goes back to they secrity , it also fits the bill look at the way they locked hard drives.
6 they have pc that can run embedded xp that is stored on a chip on the motherboard thats about 512 megs most the time.

so what does all that speculation get me

well 3 things

1 they are using a heavy modified OS more then likely is nt in base like a windows 2000 source
2 they likely have 512 meg or some size flash chip that stores the OS with a id key stored in the cpu becuase this would be hardwired and there would be no way to decript it and likely its a flashed rom chip so you can't wire to it.
3 most people on this site don't fallow the rabbit and look in all the wrong places. the fact is I don't hack or mod or program and more of my speculations have come true then xbox hackers.

I am sorry my english is bad but I am tring to do my part to help you all but if you don't find it useful to know how it works then fine.

[Arakon]

you are way, way wrong.
there is no 512 MB flash chip for the OS, and the OS being "very graphic" doesn't make it big. in fact even a full theme with background images for every blade etc is rarely bigger than 2 MB, and the dashboard itself is quite basic, you can easily fit all of it into 12 megs or so. it's already known where the dashboard is, there is a standard tsop NAND flash of 16 MB right on the MB.

your speculation is pretty much pointless, half of it is info that is already known (or known to be different from your speculation), the rest of it is senseless.

[dirtysanchez]

LOL.. stock G5? Locked Hard drives? Good grief... It's already been proven that the hard drive in the 360 is NOT locked. As for the stock G5... oh boy... the PE guys are laughing about that one right now.

[xboxuser369]

dude you suck and its not really all true what you said but i don't care becuase I play my xbox not fourm bash like a loser

[dirtysanchez]

*sigh* do I or don't I reply.

*wah* you crap on me for "bashing" you when 2 other people have already proven you wrong in this thread?

As for what I said... what part of it is not really all true?

a) It's not a G5
b) HDD in XBOX 360 is not locked

before you post speculations... have some actual PROOF to back it up. How are people supposed to conjure up a hack when all you've given us "theories".

[Arakon]

I'm getting a feeling this guy doesn't even have a 360 and is throwing random theories around based on pictures and the "fact" that "MS = Windows".

[KEKSi]

is that guy skyD or should i name him "mr. icemod" ?

[alou]

Ok guys just relax.

I happen to have serious proof aboub the chip that contains 360 bios. It's called foster and I belive has a capacity of 330 DO (drink only) ram (or rum?). If directly fed to the hypervisor may lead to great exploitation potential.



Sorry for the OT but thought i'd lighten up some moods

[dirtysanchez]

LOL too funny.... hell this whole thread was off topic to begin with 

Yeah so what if MS had a NT kernel capable of running on the PPC platform? and so what they own Virtual PC? BFD.

There's no proof in what he posted.

[SiliconIce]

Locked due to pointlessness.

Nice pic alou