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Author Topic: Is the xbox360 capable of doing stereoscopic 3d?  (Read 1471 times)
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« on: June 02, 2010, 03:10:49 AM »

The 3dtv hype is getting bigger and bigger.
And the new standard (at least for now) for 3dtv should be stereoscopic.
Which means that the tv supports a 200Hz input on the hdmi port and it will render two frames at 100Hz each at once.

The playstation3 will be getting 3dtv support in their next big firmware update.
But I was wondering if the xbox360 would also support this.

Do you guys think the ANA/HANA will be able to handle this?
I assume it would only be possible when using hdmi or vga (if the tv accepts 200Hz in ít's vga port).
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 08:04:07 AM »

Yes, but I doubt MS will support it because that's the whole idea behind their next console I've heard, Natal is going to tide them over until the next console.  Btw, I could be wrong but 120Hz is the fastest true frame rate available.  Any rates above that are not new unique frames, they are just pulsing the light source to reduce ghosting.

3D TV is commonly embedded in a 1080p data stream.  Most 3D TVs that use passive glasses use line interleaved polarization.  This means the odd lines on the screen have one circular polarization and the even lines have the other circular polarization.

I don't see why the Xbox can't format the video as left/right eye line-interleaved.

However, many of us in the industry are not betting on home 3D TV taking off any time soon.  Bottom line is line-interleaved looks like ass because the cheap glasses aren't perfectly polarized and neither is the TV so each eye still sees some content from the other eye.  Your brain can fix it but it causes fatigue.

Good 3D (like you see in the theatre) does frame interleave where the light source is illuminating entire frames with alternating polarization so there is no bleed between glasses lenses because only one polarization is projected at a time.  TVs that use active shutter glasses attempt to do this by blacking out the eye piece, but it still looks like flickering crap.

IMHO, 3D in the home sucks. ;-)

Just to cut through the marketing bull$#!t, the video going to the TV is raw video, not compressed.

@60 frames per second
HD = ~1.5 Gbits/sec (74.25 Mhz pixel rate).
1080p = ~3.0 Gbits/sec (148.5 Mhz pixel rate).

The 120 Hz TV actually push 1080p around at nearly 300 Mhz.  You see 240 Hz TVs around but nobody is pushing pixel rates of 600 MHz, they are running pixels at 120 Hz (300 Mhz) and strobbing the light source twice per frame.   Pure marketing hype.

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 11:47:57 AM »

thanks Blackadder very useful info
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2010, 07:59:19 AM »

Indeed Blackaddr thanks for posting this.
I've only seen two 3D movies in the theatre.
Beowulf which uses RealD and Avatar using iMax3D.
Both movies required the shutter glassed but Beowulf was by far the best thing I've seen.
I could really see everything coming out of the screen and I expected the new sony bravia 3D tv's to do the same.
I'm going to the store soon to check it out soon in the stores here.
I hope it won't suck that much:P

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 11:23:40 AM »

The 360 already supports 3D games....but it requires HDMI for 3D effects

'Avatar' game

but I have yet to figure out were to get 3d glasses
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 12:12:00 PM »

The game also requires a 3D capable 120Hz television [for 3d effects].  You buy the glasses that are compatible with your particular television.
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