|
duggyuk
|
 |
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2009, 04:17:59 AM » |
|
seeing as a lot more of us are able to dump nands and have all fuse info, how hard would it be to inspect / edit this counter? (is the sector check summed or anything?).
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
c33v33
Newbie
Posts: 7
|
|
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2010, 06:53:44 PM » |
|
Does the counter still increment in secdata.bin without the video cable plugged in?
I thought that the Southbridge checks for a video cable for 5 minutes at boot up. While waiting for a video cable, the CPU and GPU are on hold state. No dash, no kernal, no hypervisor running.
Or did something change in NXE or with the HDMI consoles? Because the HDMI consoles don't red light anymore w/o a video cable.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Neptune
|
|
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2010, 03:12:47 AM » |
|
Does the counter still increment in secdata.bin without the video cable plugged in?
I thought that the Southbridge checks for a video cable for 5 minutes at boot up. While waiting for a video cable, the CPU and GPU are on hold state. No dash, no kernal, no hypervisor running.
Or did something change in NXE or with the HDMI consoles? Because the HDMI consoles don't red light anymore w/o a video cable.
They never did red light without a cable...it is expecting an HDMI cable to be plugged in. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ReverseAffect
|
|
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2010, 03:20:54 AM » |
|
Does the counter still increment in secdata.bin without the video cable plugged in?
I thought that the Southbridge checks for a video cable for 5 minutes at boot up. While waiting for a video cable, the CPU and GPU are on hold state. No dash, no kernal, no hypervisor running.
Or did something change in NXE or with the HDMI consoles? Because the HDMI consoles don't red light anymore w/o a video cable.
They never did red light without a cable...it is expecting an HDMI cable to be plugged in.
yep... and as for the older way, i don't think it sets a error and records it ...i think it was more of a timer expired/shut console down no video signal...but who knows maybe the 4 red lights =the time...after all it would be dumb to have that kind of error recording to a nand chip for the sake of the chips wear factor......dvd drive is different it =info for m$ on a level of troubleshooting and is sealed in the box...so that a common thing/error to use for them on a warranty issue |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: February 04, 2010, 03:23:39 AM by ReverseAffect »
|
Logged
|
sick like a mofo..not reballing for a while...
|
|
|
c33v33
Newbie
Posts: 7
|
|
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2010, 07:12:33 AM » |
|
Well i contacted someone from the website and they sent me this
SataCdRomInitialize ---> SataChannelDetectDevice if the result of this check
= 0 then it branches to a new function
this is in the NXE update
Don't know what this means.I'm too noob.
So does this counter still increase in secdata.bin even with the video cable disconnected? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ReverseAffect
|
|
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2010, 07:21:48 AM » |
|
i thought i answered that!
no ..why would it...it's not a security thing....why would you want to record the video unplugged?(within the nand)
it's a common event that can happen ...say you had to go out and you didn't set the 360 main power saver timer(it's 6 hours then the box shuts off when left idle)
and your dog pulls the cord running behind the tv or your kid craws back there and pulls the cord out...
you get 4 rod and then it's shuts down(forgot the time it does this)...would you waist a nand write for this?
get what i am trying to say?
p.s. that quote you have is for the hd only....
and what does that have to do with this new 8955 dash? that's a july post new dash is activated in november...
things change...
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: February 04, 2010, 07:26:15 AM by ReverseAffect »
|
Logged
|
sick like a mofo..not reballing for a while...
|
|
|
c33v33
Newbie
Posts: 7
|
|
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2010, 07:28:31 AM » |
|
I know having a video cable unplugged is not important in terms of logging.
Sorry for this misunderstanding but this thread was about booting a console w/o a DVD drive connected. Thus a counter in secdata.bin would increase each time you did that.
I was wondering if that data would still be recorded if the video cable was disconnected. Since CPU is in hold state, I was guessing no, it would not. That's my question.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ReverseAffect
|
|
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2010, 07:42:06 AM » |
|
I know having a video cable unplugged is not important in terms of logging.
Sorry for this misunderstanding but this thread was about booting a console w/o a DVD drive connected. Thus a counter in secdata.bin would increase each time you did that.
I was wondering if that data would still be recorded if the video cable was disconnected. Since CPU is in hold state, I was guessing no, it would not. That's my question.
lol ya sorry ...i kinda overlooked what was said and the subject at hand  i should of just said ..now why would m$ waist nand writes when they ship out bad nands as it is...they need all the room they can get...lol |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: February 04, 2010, 07:43:50 AM by ReverseAffect »
|
Logged
|
sick like a mofo..not reballing for a while...
|
|
|
funkyman23
Newbie
Posts: 9
|
|
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2010, 07:23:59 PM » |
|
yup i can confirm it they ban u for turning box without a drive ,i had box never connected to live but powered multiple times without a drive now when was LT here i flashed it to LT connected to live whoop ban ,i am 50%-50% for ban ,obout that or i repaired bad serial data with jf becose i dumped that 74850 with old dvdkey but dont know for shure
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
c33v33
Newbie
Posts: 7
|
|
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2010, 07:51:54 PM » |
|
yup i can confirm it they ban u for turning box without a drive Value at +0x38 in secdata.bin could be a factor in flagging/banning, but I don't think this value alone is important. I just want to know if secdata.bin is affected if the video cable if unplugged. Can anyone answer this? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Arakon
|
|
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2010, 08:42:51 PM » |
|
Of course not. Do you really think MS would ban people who forgot to plug in their cable a few times?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I do NOT give support by email, PM, ICQ or whatever. Anyone annoying me that way will have his balls removed. With a rusty butterknife. Slowly. And I'll enjoy doing it.
|
|
|
c33v33
Newbie
Posts: 7
|
|
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2010, 08:57:22 PM » |
|
Of course not. Do you really think MS would ban people who forgot to plug in their cable a few times?
If you meant the sata cable, thanks for answering. If you meant the video cable, then that wasn't my question. Sorry for this misunderstanding but this thread was about booting a console w/o a DVD drive connected. Thus a counter in secdata.bin would increase each time you did that. I wanted to know if secdata.bin would still increase at +0x38 (due to a disconnected DVD drive) if the video cable was unplugged. |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 09:01:28 PM by c33v33 »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ReverseAffect
|
|
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2010, 10:09:30 PM » |
|
well shoot ok i got ya now on this,c33v33
360 plugged in without dvd drive plugged in and no video cable connected...right
well turned on but 4 red lights and no dvddrive....
lets think about this for a min....
the 360 turned on without a video cable has a timer function engaged 4 red lights>timer on(is the cpu on hold? or low clock state?)
whats timing this..not the nand,not the GPU right? (remember the power supply has stand by power not only just for the clock)
as you know once you turn the 360 on and dvd-drive isn't not hooked up we have a blinking green light
at this time CPU has enough power along with some other parts memory,nand to flag the dvd-drive (offline from the system)
flagging it and sending info to the nand..(even in a pre state of the 360 the nand can be written to as we know it)
so bottom line is the video plays no part in recording....and the system is is half(i think) power up mode..this is why it's shuts down when no video cable is present..who knows what it will do without a cable and no timer function(M$ made that clear to us by the video-no signal(cable) timer... so as i said before why would video play a part in anything with the dvd-drive not being hooked up the dvd-drive not being present is going to write to the nand with or without the video cable hooked up...
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 10:13:36 PM by ReverseAffect »
|
Logged
|
sick like a mofo..not reballing for a while...
|
|
|
c33v33
Newbie
Posts: 7
|
|
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2010, 10:21:25 PM » |
|
is the cpu on hold? or low clock state? The CPU is not in low clock state. It is off. Only the Southbridge is on. Timer is run by Southbridge. so as i said before why would video play a part in anything with the dvd-drive not being hooked up the dvd-drive not being present is going to write to the nand with or without the video cable hooked up... Because without the video cable hooked up, only Southbridge is running. Without the video cable, the CPU is off. No CPU=No secdata.bin writes. But I'm still wondering if my thinking is right? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
AdmiralXA
|
|
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2010, 10:23:03 PM » |
|
I hope microsoft start banning people for pirating at least heh.
Yeah, I also side with rich, elitists whor have money to burn (that they stole to start with), and charge $40 too much for games as all middle-men elitists need their cut of the pie (who pays at the end, people just wanting the same rights as rich have). Entire system is corrupt so yeah, to the rich guy out there downloading stuff he could buy, ban him. To the little kid who sold his pair of shoes to try to fit in with other kids, go on doing your thing kid. Lol. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ReverseAffect
|
|
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2010, 10:34:18 PM » |
|
is the cpu on hold? or low clock state? The CPU is not in low clock state. It is off. Only the Southbridge is on. Timer is run by Southbridge. so as i said before why would video play a part in anything with the dvd-drive not being hooked up the dvd-drive not being present is going to write to the nand with or without the video cable hooked up... Because without the video cable hooked up, only Southbridge is running. Without the video cable, the CPU is off. No CPU=No secdata.bin writes. But I'm still wondering if my thinking is right? well going off your answer... backup your nand(see what's up with your secdata) fire up your 360 with your video cable unhooked and shut it down and re-read the nand...look for changes and then fire up your 360 without the dvd-drive in along without the video cable shut it down and re-read the nand... p.s did you ever check for voltage going to the cpu on, no video power up? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
sick like a mofo..not reballing for a while...
|
|
|
c33v33
Newbie
Posts: 7
|
|
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2010, 10:43:16 PM » |
|
backup your nand(see what's up with your secdata)
fire up your 360 with your video cable unhooked and shut it down and re-read the nand...look for changes
and then fire up your 360 without the dvd-drive in along without the video cable shut it down and re-read the nand... I was hoping someone with more knowledge or skill than me could confirm my thinking or tell me I'm wrong.  However, I am in the process of obtaining an exploitable 360 and building the parts for JTAG. When that's complete, I'll do it. If anyone can do ReverseAffect's idea, please report results?  |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 10:54:53 PM by c33v33 »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ReverseAffect
|
|
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2010, 10:59:25 PM » |
|
backup your nand(see what's up with your secdata)
fire up your 360 with your video cable unhooked and shut it down and re-read the nand...look for changes
and then fire up your 360 without the dvd-drive in along without the video cable shut it down and re-read the nand... I was hoping someone with more knowledge or skill could confirm my thinking or tell me I'm wrong. However, I am in the process of obtaining an exploitable 360 and building the parts for JTAG. When that's complete, I'll do it. If anyone can do ReverseAffect's idea, please report results? oh shoot ...i thought you had a 360 and jtagged already......and sold my jtagged unit for now.. if i have time i will jtag another one and i will try this over the weekend...it really would be good to know(a for sure know) P.S off hand do you know where the clock function is stored? clock as in dashboard clock for time... edit:woops it should be in the southbridge then if that's were are standby is because as the unit fires up and starts the dash you can see the time change  |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 11:07:41 PM by ReverseAffect »
|
Logged
|
sick like a mofo..not reballing for a while...
|
|
|
|
q36
|
|
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2010, 04:44:13 AM » |
|
"I just want to know if secdata.bin is affected if the video cable if unplugged."
no.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
sneeky
|
|
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2010, 10:29:13 PM » |
|
Well for what its worth i have had a console on live without dvd drive connected for well over a year and its still going strong
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Dilber MC Theme by HarzeM