Liteon secrets? I'll share something with you

[thuanz]

any 3.3 source will work danthaman, if you don't like to lift pins then just cut the trace from the capacitor and rejoin it afterwards.

[prankster]

Excellent, I will be trying this when I get home from work tonight, thanks to all concerned.

[sliddon]

could we just remove the surface mount caps instead of lifting legs then solder back on after
also are there other points for pin 100, pin 101 instead of soldering to legs or maybe even use a touth pick and conductive ink to build 2 tracks with jumpers to switch to from the legs?

[thuanz]

it's really not that hard to lift the legs with a sharp knife.

Is it even neccessary to spoof the 94350's? they still use the 83850 inquiry string don't they, even though they have 94350 on the outer cover

[Iriez]

If it's really THAT easy... short a pin.. then do you think c4eva did the same trick earlier instead of decap in acid or something?

Yes.

With the assistance of other unnamed associates (unless they want to let me know if they want to be credited, then I will amend this statement) who found out the original method that Geremia (once again) released without the consent of the original author.

This is the 2nd time that Geremia has taken information that was compiled in a group environment, and took it to the public without gaining the consent (or even bothering to ask permission!) of the majority of people who did the REAL work! This was not even HIS work!

I KNOW the first time he made a unethical decision.

Geremia, did you figure this out on your own? Or did our unnamed person give you the information? Did he give you permission to release this information? Or is this 'alteration' of the other method purely your discover? If so, forgive me for the above negativity. If NOT, then what the hell are you doing!?!?

THIS is the kind of stuff that is KILLING the modding scene! Geremia, do you WANT us to be completely locked out??? How the hell do you think we are going to defeat future drives once they PATCH this hole!?!?!

I WORRY about the future! That is MY job...to build teams, and to bring the insight of experience to make decisions that is not necessarily the answer for today, for this month....but its the answer for this YEAR!

This method should not have been made public. There are people who were making PROGRESS on getting the dvdkey on new drives. If you would have gotten out of your goddamn CAVE and SPOKE to people and worked with them instead of being the solo assassin! Have you not heard of team work man?

People like you and c4e are ruining the scene!!! Making individual decisions that HURTS the entire scene!!!! internal algorithms made and used for very private encryption schemes by vendors is NOT public information!!! That causes them to *change* the schemes! By publicizing holes you are motivating the vendors to put $$$ into R&D....to crack the whip if there are contracts involved dealing with securities on patents and optical technologies! Releasing hardware modifications that bypass said securities motivates them to PATCH!! Ugggggghhhh!!!! NO no no.

This is "last resort" type information. It is NOT a LAST RESORT ...SITUATION!! Not!!

I dont know. Im trying to look out for the best for everyone, and while this seems like its a positive step in the right direction, you need to look at the rammifications behind this kind of stuff! There's *alot* more to this than the typical person can even come close to understanding!

Geremia, I *almost* understand you. I think you try to be 'the hero' because people like c4e get greedy and make unethical decisions that hurts the scene. Then you 'come to the rescue'  and release tools or info that prevents him from executing and making money. While I may agree with you in some parts, and I think greed has ruined ALOT of future promise.....you are hurting the scene just as much by releasing the information you do. It would almost be better to see people pay.....what does it matter? Clones will come out for hardware....things will get so cheap anyone can buy as much as they want.


Bah = /

And again Geremia....if you were given permission then I understand. If not....ahhh! Who are you consulting with? Who is helping you steer this hacking scene into the grave? = / Is mr gates paying you lol ?

[damox]

This is "last resort" type information. It is NOT a LAST RESORT ...SITUATION!! Not!!

Agreed, the release of this is far from beneficial in relation to firmware hacks.

However, you speak a lot of the 'the scene' (i recognize the major role you play), but is playing burnt games really that important.

Even if the drive was to become so called 'unhackable', who cares ?

I feel that is the saddest part of the 360 hacking community.

[Pigbait]

+2 irez

[raidenxtribe]

OMG, Irez opened my eyes ! Geremia you are truly ruining the scene !!!! There will be a new super liteon called "scene ruin" and we will not be able to hack it anymore !!!!

LOL Irez, stop whining around ^_^ FoundMy my ass XD

[misterfly]

For liteon 83 v1 and v2 dump:
0x1C138
0x1CAEC
0x1C742
0x1C680
0x1CECD
0x1CB34
0x1C83F
0x1C725
0x1C52A
0x1C201
0x1C9DF
0x1C023
0x1C4A0
0x1C59A
0x1C3FE
0x1CF49

For liteon 74 (and possible same for liteon 93):
0x1E138
0x1EAEC
0x1E742
0x1E680
0x1EECD
0x1EB34
0x1E83F
0x1E725
0x1E52A
0x1E201
0x1E9DF
0x1E023
0x1E4A0
0x1E59A
0x1E3FE
0x1EF49

just load the bin on JF and will show you the key, the above locations were get replacing the key and hexcomparing

not all 74xxx fw has dvdkey area at 1Exxx, cause there are 2 type of 74xxx fw out here afaik.
One has it at 1Exxx (which is the base fw of ixtreme), while the other has it at 1Cxxx.
btw, the other 74xxx fw is 99,9% the same of a 93450 i've here, liteon just patched it in hexeditor, they disabled the uart and truncated the atapi cdb to dump dvdkey.

colllll newsssss but really old this !!!!!! geremia you're always the last to know things "REMEMBER only those who wrote the legend can know certain things"

[danthaman]

Is pin 101 just a normal 3v input for that chip?? the reason I ask is that I managed to snap it off I'm hoping I might be able to bridge the connection to 122 to get it to work (or at least dump the key)

LET THIS BE A WARNING TO ALL !!! I (not so long ago) worked as a Surface mount tech in an R&D company doing this sort of thing everyday which is why I should have knowen better than to attempt something like this without a proper re-work station (even with one and a microscope this would be a challenge when you factor in the epoxy etc..)
 I should have cut tracks or even removed caps, as was suggested to me (thuanz  thanx mate, would have taken ur advice but I had already started)
I wanted bad to get this done and go to sleep (I've also been up all night on this) Oh well ....
SO BEWARE IT'S REALLY EASY TO STUFF-UP!!!

[glaze83]

Is pin 101 just a normal 3v input for that chip?? the reason I ask is that I managed to snap it off I'm hoping I might be able to bridge the connection to 122 to get it to work (or at least dump the key)

LET THIS BE A WARNING TO ALL !!! I (not so long ago) worked as a Surface mount tech in an R&D company doing this sort of thing everyday which is why I should have knowen better than to attempt something like this without a proper re-work station (even with one and a microscope this would be a challenge when you factor in the epoxy etc..)
 I should have cut tracks or even removed caps, as was suggested to me (thuanz  thanx mate, would have taken ur advice but I had already started)
I wanted bad to get this done and go to sleep (I've also been up all night on this) Oh well ....
SO BEWARE IT'S REALLY EASY TO STUFF-UP!!!

should still work, the pins bridged internally to 122

[misterfly]

4 GEREMIA remember you not help the scene (but destroy all you "touch")

[thuanz]

Is pin 101 just a normal 3v input for that chip?? the reason I ask is that I managed to snap it off I'm hoping I might be able to bridge the connection to 122 to get it to work (or at least dump the key)

LET THIS BE A WARNING TO ALL !!! I (not so long ago) worked as a Surface mount tech in an R&D company doing this sort of thing everyday which is why I should have knowen better than to attempt something like this without a proper re-work station (even with one and a microscope this would be a challenge when you factor in the epoxy etc..)
 I should have cut tracks or even removed caps, as was suggested to me (thuanz  thanx mate, would have taken ur advice but I had already started)
I wanted bad to get this done and go to sleep (I've also been up all night on this) Oh well ....
SO BEWARE IT'S REALLY EASY TO STUFF-UP!!!

should still work, the pins bridged internally to 122

it shouldn't be too hard to fix, last resort is to dremel down the controller like on the cut pin wii's and join it that way.

[Iriez]

This is "last resort" type information. It is NOT a LAST RESORT ...SITUATION!! Not!!

Agreed, the release of this is far from beneficial in relation to firmware hacks.

However, you speak a lot of the 'the scene' (i recognize the major role you play), but is playing burnt games really that important.

Even if the drive was to become so called 'unhackable', who cares ?

I feel that is the saddest part of the 360 hacking community.

Fortunately we are (hopefully!!!) in a transition of the definition of the xbox360 'scene'. We are all hoping for the gearing of free60 to takeover the 'scene'. But....ah, one can only hope.

The firmware modification is definitely the largest band, as piracy always attracts the largest droves. I am a public servant that looks after the bigger picture, the higher percentile. Its not always ethical, but I've never claimed to be ethical, and always hosted grey area and not so grey area things I *do* try to not be hypocritical, but sometimes its reaaaaal hard :p Oh yea, my 'whinging' happens to be the shared opinion of some of top hackers in this scene who MAKE what you all have possible. Those are directly the people you have to thank for your modifications. So bite me.

[oc]

Can you stop "whinging" about "last resort" ppl! Without Geremria started topic, I and many of us are still in the dark! What is wrong for sharing some technical knowledge rather than keep screct in fewer master hacker and company?  The soul of this scene that is for all of members, so that we learn! That is why I keep stay in this scene! Don't be selfish PPl.

[damox]

Without Geremria started topic, I and many of us are still in the dark! What is wrong for sharing some technical knowledge rather than keep screct in fewer master hacker and company?  The soul of this scene that is for all of members, so that we learn!

You have got to be kidding.

How have you been brought out of the dark and into the light?

What technical knowledge has been shared, lift pins, swap voltage etc. What have you learned besides following a mindless tutorial?

If you don't recognize the benefit and/or difference between private/public 'need to know' information then I feel sorry for you.

[K0ld4]

@Iriez:
You are pissed, because you cannot make money from this, aren't you?

Scene is about searching exploits!

This one was only question of time... but i agree that this should be hidden for few months (or years like free60) longer...
But not forever (it could be discovered by someone else, it is not complicated way, how it works) and neither for making money!

[gemet]

i am very confused after reading this thread, Iriez is complaining about keeping secrets in the name of money and private businesses.
As everyone is using google to find information , everybody is learning from others, stealing ideas, refining , developing and so on.

Im sure that we are all greatful for the modchips, drive firmwares, R4i card, rippers , crackers and so on, and in the end its all about money.

 

[danthaman]

 Thankyou all once again, I decided to remove the noose from my neck and climb down from the chair following your posts, it could have gone either way   I've been following the comments re: the age old debate (I made a lengthy post on this on XS) I would just like to say I think that a happy medium needs to be found between the need to share info and the need to protect it. I've recently gotten-into Free60 stuff and just added dual boot Nand to a one of my boxes, something I probably might not have been motivated to do had I not found myself flashing FW in order to excersise my god-given right to backup that which is precious to me.. My interest in these areas had been dormant for some time(having been hacking for 27 yearsd or so very quietly in various areas) . I would also like to point-out that there are people who aren't in 'the inner circle' for whatever reason dont'/can't sift through reams of hex to do the all-important leg-work but are intelligent enough to appreciate it without wasting it. It would seem the bean counters @ M$ base their development descions on totalnumberofhackedconsoles*x$>devlopment+manufacturing=XploitPlugged. This approach is probably begining to work in our favour (at least untill Xbox720). Stuff like this mod I think are a nescessity (given the rest of us really were at a dead-end given the demise of the JTAG hack). to keep the modding scene active during which time ppl are educating themselves (for the most part) And If people have the ability to do something like this mod I think they deserve to know what their Liteon Key is. I reckon It's our responsibility to keep corporate monsters from creating a monopoly whereby.... Anyway you get the picture, sorry to rant.. Surely this can't be last ditch resort without going into detail if a key is being exchanged then btwn board and drive then there is only a certain amount of practicality they can employ to slow one down from finding it?

[glaze83]

As long as a person / group is making money off something there will be others that are jealous. And if that person / group can also do the same thing they will either develop a competing product or out of spite try and undermine the profiteers.

It's the classic prisoners dilemma.