Unmoddable July 2009 Liteon 83850C

[gadget78]

and i presume all the consoles that have the 93450c drive, also have the newer type 2BL
and thus unable to carry out the JTAG hack too ??

[Arakon]

of course.
the new 2bl has been in place long before the new liteon even came out afterall.

[jelle2503]

am using my rs232 adapter i used to mod my modem and solidered it in to the liteon drive and bridged the tx line R707

LOL you knobhead that's only for 73450c liteon drives.... 83850 doesn't require usage of RS232 or bridging R707, just plug it and mod it.

[junior2k8]

I have the august 2009 "unmoddable" liteon I've dumped a july one before it didnt take much effort .but this one when trying to dump just returns 00 00 00 00 etc on key.bin . I've modded literally 100s of 360s in the past 3 years  .  Well i decided to load up JF 0.26 went to the graveyards to find it .  Notice when I probe the the last hole multiple times (one that makes drive open and close located next to where r707 was) while trying to read key JF will return parts of the key .  I'm not very good at figuring things like this out so I of course just gave up and decided to keep the drive for future testing.  but makes me think if we could some how time the probe attacks we could get the key ...I think the guy who bridged tx and rx while using his rs232 might be on to something.. Call me a newb call him one doesnt make any difference just putting out there my experience so far with this August 83850c liteon.

[jelle2503]

yeah right.. time all you want.. and get many parts of many keys.. put several RS232 to this board, and probe it to death

fact remains, there's NO software key dumping holes on this new 83850c v2.. and 93450c

it's not me who said this.. anyone who's even a bit related to JF knows this

(we all know c4eva has had the 83850c v2 drive for over a month by now, and has decapped it already and has the firmware in his hands)

maybe a modchip will surface..

[junior2k8]

so what does that mean that it cant be decapped any other way then whats already known...i remember when the hitachi 79 started it was the "unmoddable drive" and it was suppost to be chipped until someone found a software hack .  Regardless of what you may think or maybe your just so close minded that your ignorant to the fact that yes there maybe more then 1 way .  Why are you even here? Obviously true hackers dont give up when plan A does not work.....Nor do they sit with a thumb up their ass hoping for someone else to figure out plan B.  They keep an open mind and try plan B . Maybe you shouldnt flame someone so quickly at least they are taking the effort of trying.

[jelle2503]

there's no point in trying.. if people from JF know the result from the research on these drives.. no software key dump anymore

trust me i'd be happy if i was to be proven wrong

it's naive to think software comes to dump the key

[k0mpresd]

(we all know c4eva has had the 83850c v2 drive for over a month by now, and has decapped it already and has the firmware in his hands)

i heard c4eva was able to dump v2 drive firmware by using cygnos. just hearsay, though.

[littlestevie360]

(we all know c4eva has had the 83850c v2 drive for over a month by now, and has decapped it already and has the firmware in his hands)

i heard c4eva was able to dump v2 drive firmware by using cygnos. just hearsay, though.

cygnos is not a drive related chip in fact its a dual nand mod for the motherboard

so what does that mean that it cant be decapped any other way then whats already known...i remember when the hitachi 79 started it was the "unmoddable drive" and it was suppost to be chipped until someone found a software hack .  Regardless of what you may think or maybe your just so close minded that your ignorant to the fact that yes there maybe more then 1 way .  Why are you even here? Obviously true hackers dont give up when plan A does not work.....Nor do they sit with a thumb up their ass hoping for someone else to figure out plan B.  They keep an open mind and try plan B . Maybe you shouldnt flame someone so quickly at least they are taking the effort of trying.

ah but remember the 79fl drives also had the externel nor that the firmware is on, the SPI for the liteon drives is embedded in the MTK controller chip, they are not the same thing, this time around microsoft are showing that they are at least trying to combat piracy

[k0mpresd]

cygnos is not a drive related chip in fact its a dual nand mod for the motherboard

i know what it is. just saying thats what i heard. like everything posted on the internet, should be taken with a piece of salt.

[jelle2503]

cygnos to dump 83850c v2... lol... why don't we stick to facts rather then bull$#!t theories and hearsay

[junior2k8]

Well like i said When using JF 0.26 and the maximus xtractor i was able to get certain parts to return back like 00 00 8H 3B 00 AD  etc never a full dump but that is spitting parts out  Why JF 0.26 well it doesnt automatically cancel when bad key data is returned....Just because someone has not figured out a complete exploit to open a hole and dump the key does not mean that it cant be done...Trial and Error ...Hasnt it always been that way.  maybe c4eva has figured a way to write around the key section of the FW (leaving the key part untouched) dont really know just a thought ....but still man you give up hope way to quick. Do you work with us or with MS?  Nonetheless MS can spend millions of bucks in development on better security and months/years of research but there are so many more of us then there are of them..they may stop us for a short time but never will we be held down.  I remember Wireless Networks were once thought to be4 secure and unhackable ....that was soon changed  and then came BackTrack .  with all its great wifi tools .  Just an example ...I dont care if you were the president looking me in the eye telling me this cant be done ...  I still wouldnt believe you. If theres a will theres a way. 

[Arakon]

uh.. stop trying to sound like you're leading some rebellion, that's ridiculous. MS isn't holding anyone down, they're trying to protect their business. and "we're many more than them"? have you done a head count of capable people recently? there's probably not even 10 people who have anything to do with console hacking that are even capable of doing anything active. the rest are people who use what they worked for. they don't have skills or insight beyond flashing a drive and maybe getting the key dumped without f***ing up the device.

[jelle2503]

junior 2k8 now you're not only being naive.. you're being plain ignorant..

i thought everyone believed so firmly in c4eva's words and research

guess you'll still have hope even after 10 years that the new liteon will be software dumpable.. heh..

hope someone can prove me wrong with these new liteons and tell me to fack myself for being stupid and so hopeless

[k0mpresd]

cygnos to dump 83850c v2... lol... why don't we stick to facts rather then bull$#!t theories and hearsay

the guy i talk to is pretty reliable. i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss it.

[Arakon]

there is no way whatsoever for cygnos to do that. for one, there's a million ways better suited to this (basic spi programmers, infectus, etc), second, cygnos accesses NAND memory, which is completely different from SPI. third, the chip would have to be totally reprogrammed.. so why bother with that chip and not go directly for a fresh setup from much cheaper parts?

[jelle2503]

the guy i talk to is pretty reliable. i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss it.

why don't we dismiss you from being credible as a whole lol

[junior2k8]

sure sure i'll prove you wrong - I never said liteon will be software dumpable i was referring back to the 79 fl drives that had to be chipped then there was a software hack....I myself stated that I used the maximus xtractor to power the drive and JF 0.26 to read from the serial data while probing the hole next to r707 (if you can figure a way to do this by software more power to ya) .  Now get off your high horse  and wipe the peanut butter off your ass bc obviously your no help...Your like one of those people who are overwhelmed with negativity .  Does not matter to me, live life be miserable ..I never doubted c4eva but surely he is not the only one who can do these things.  Infact I think theres quite a few people that help him. Its great when all minds come together and each has their own theories but still come up with the same plan.  C4eva is great at what he does no question to it. No doubt he probally has a way already but does that mean that is the ONLY way possible...Of course not.

[damox]

You're one of those people who are overwhelmed with reality.

Fixed.

I never doubted c4eva but surely he is not the only one who can do these things.

Glad you two are so tight.

You don't seem to recognize that c4e wasn't even the first to do it on the 360.

[junior2k8]

I didnt think c4eva  was , but didnt want to say and be wrong. Sorry about the way i say things but people like him that think they are the greatest thing in life really piss me off.  They flame anyone who tries to talk about anything .From a complete noob to a experienced tech they think they know all there is to know and theres nothing left to learn.... Thats not the help we need He might as well go apply at MS he is no help here...