New Liteon Revision: 83850c

[.ISO]

A forum post on a German website has the following information....
Here is a picture of the drive:



There appears to possibly be a new firmware/hardware revision for the LiteOn drive that was originally posted on these German forums (http://board.gulli.com/thread/1385872-liteon-v2---dg-16d2s-fw83850c) .

So far, it is just speculation at this point. It appears the user is claiming the key's are coming back all 00's. We are unsure if it is user error, or a new protection. Any users with this revision please email iriez at xbins dot org with any information. If it truely is new protection, we will need to get our hands on it! Donors will be taken care of!

[The M.A.R.T.]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit as Microsoft about each year now around mid-year brings a new drive or new protection (switching to BenQ in 2007, switching to Lite On just before summer 2008).

EDIT

I've read through the forums, and also seen stuff on Xbox-Scene. These drives are just moddable as ever, although some reports came in its sometimes hard to get the drive ejecting right:

"These are definitely moddable, I have been able to flash them and have done quite a few. They do give me some issues sometimes with the tray not being at the right spot and also have had them report back as missing serial info. They are moddable though, for sure"

Plus:

"Can you people ACTUALLY READ? Hardware version is the same - Firmware isn't. (Hello, Hitachi 47 & 59?)

The HARDWARE is EXACTLY the same. I had a scan over BOTH PCBs and there is NO difference at all.

People are so quick to jump on the dummy bandwagon. I have already flashed/erased/dumped keys from these new liteons. The procedure is EXACTLY the same.

Seems to me this German guy is a numpty who doesn't know what he's doing. If he's bricked his Wii, god knows what he'll be doing next (too much brutwurst?)

HYPE HYPE HYPE - thats all it is. Just shows how fickle "the mob" is."


http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=685815&st=60


All read through it seems the key is fine, it just gives missing some missing serial info. But it doesn't give any problems with flashing, plus some fill in this missing serial info from the drives stickers, but that sounds dangerous to me. What if they on purpose left these blanc?

[.ISO]

Good to know, thanks for the share. I suppose you are "X-hacker" on XScene?

[misterfly]

LoL !!!!!! whic mtk chip hawe inside?

[idog]

Since you're stating the key is on the same location as in the previous firmware, there should be no reason to have issues getting that crucial info.

However just a few thoughts (haven't seen an 83850c as of yet) :

1. You'd be creating a 7-series fw with data (key etc) from the 83850c. The hardware is the same, so you're actually downgrading the drive when you flash it.
2. Apart from this working, shouldn't you have to spoof the drive ? Banwise, that is ?
3. IF the 83850c has been improved compared to a 7-series fw, then wouldn't it be something to think about to (once dumped of course) flash the 83850c firmware onto 7-series drives (and spoofing it) ?

Don't flame.. I'm just thinking out loud here

[mushy408]

I'm X-hacker on XS-scene.

Thanks 

[mushy408]

Just another thought about spoofing - with the BenQ there are 2 revisions which require correct spoofing.

If you think about it like replacing your hitachi 47 with a 59 - its the same drive just different firmware.

[idog]

Yup, like another modder I spoke to today is agreeing : the xbox will come back with an E66 when you flash the 83850 with the current hacked liteon fw.

Which furthermore renders all people who claim to successfully have flashed an 83850c as .. erm.. mistaken (to put it mildly )

edit : unless.. of course.. the spoofing string is dumped correctly as well with the current dvdkey routine.. damn.. really need to get my hands on one of those new drives.. all this speculating is leading nowhere

[The M.A.R.T.]

no need to quote

I think that other modder made mistakes himself, as there are clearly people that have succeeded. I think the speculation comes from guys that don't know what they're doing.

[idog]

no need to quote

Can I assume then that dvdkey creates the correct inquiry and identify files from the 83850c ?
You can't just wave the E66 remark with implicitly calling me a noob like that.

(and fyi, I speculate because I don't have access to a 83850c yet, I want to be prepared for the day I do)

[The M.A.R.T.]

no need to quote

Listen, I am not calling anyone anything. It isn't you that tried it right, someone you know did. As I said: it has been reported that the Lite Ons with the new firmware have been modded the old way, the key came out right, only some serial info was missing that might have been left blanc by MS itself for example if they had Lite Ons from repairs laying there and needed a reflash or something like that and they put only the key in it for saving doing more tasks who knows. It is said it works, confirmed multiple times. Those who get weird errors facks up, its impossible that some get it to work.

Go read up on Xbox-Scene and other forums. People are flashing them at this moment and they work, period. If any E66 (wrong firmware something that isn't matching) is coming up, but you saved the key, I bet Jungleflasher will be updated anytime soon with a custom hack for the 83850 besides the older fw on the Lite On.

But still. People are succeeding, so I'd check what I'd be doing myself before saying it can't be done.

[idog]

Clear.

Thanks for the explanation.

[mushy408]

I quote...

E66: DVD Drive Error - Dvd drive pairing failure: DVD model, or version does not match that of the version expected by the dashboard. OR the firmware version on the drive is older then the firmware version expected by the dashboard. Make sure the DVD drive is of the same version originally included with the console and that it is using either the original firmware included with the console or newer. if drive can eject, read, and write under windows but errors on console, replacing original firmware should fix issue.

Bad spoof information...

If you're flashing the new liteon, all the drive info (if done correctly) is extracted and can be applied onto the 1.6 firmware by a manual spoof (manually select Inquiry, Identify & Key). This does work although JF 1.62 has no spoof settings for the newer Liteon - you have to do it manually.

As said, if done correctly there shouldn't be any problems.

[.ISO]

except that you can't spoof the new firmware on a liteon yet

[jelle2503]

trusting xboxscene's forums as a source is a bad thing, so that rules out the compentence of The MART on these forums..

there's numpty's all over X-S who really think they had the new Liteon with new firmware, while it's obvious they have not

NO-ONE with enough competence to comprehend the difference between them, has had a Liteon with new firmware yet
it's stupid to think that a drive with new firmware, will work with the old Liteon firmware (even if there is a new liteon firmware that will be able to flash you'll get E66 (you'd need spoof strings which are not there yet since you can't dump liteon firmware as easy)

The only post which seems somewhat reliable about the new liteon firmware, is where the guy could not get a key to dump:

Well I just got one of these drive last night to do. Iv done other A0A2 drives fine but this 83850c one just wouldnt dump a good key. Would try dump it any only get 0000000, keept trying then I got half the key on one try, and the end of it was all CCCCC. So I thought it was my probe and soldered it to make sure it wasnt then started getting 0000 again. then finally I got the other half of the key but with it starting CCCC.

Tryed putting both the half keys I got together but it was still missing 2 characters. Unless the key strangly had a CC in the middle.

But this might as well be some bull$#!t guy from those german forums, as that particular forum where the drive was "discovered" is filled with a bunch of numpty's as well , from what i've read in german.

I know a polish guy who had a 360 return from a german repair centre, about 4 days ago.. it did not come with a new liteon even though the drive was replaced.

It's all a b/s story as far as i'm concerned.. or untill someone who's competent enough and trustworthy enough gets the new drive then I'm sure we'll hear some new news about it.

[itsfakemon]

you know, not everyone's able to solder two 1mm distanced solder joints (hereby I mean the distance between the joints that need to be connected) without screwing up
for instance, bears posting research-unrelated topics in the research section

[misterfly]

anyone donate me the new drive 83850c? im happy for joke for the new drive 
please contact me in p.m

[phantom8]

I've 1 of these new Liteons which is manufactured in March 2009.  I flashed it without any issues.  However, I did need to enter most of the serial info myself, except the Bar code on the cover.  Most other info shows up as "" in JungleFlash.  The hardware info also showed up, but doesn't match the one on label, A0A1 in JF versus A0A2 on PCB.  I manually corrected all the info.  Now, when I think of it, maybe it's better not to touch those info.  I guess the info were read correctly, but they were possibly intentionally not entered by M$.  Anyway, I'm too lazy to dig out the drive and redo the flashing.  lol

[The M.A.R.T.]

Questioning someone elses competence over no clear reason, makes the one that questions the other incompetent himself.

To simply say that all people that said that the drive with new fw can be flashed are n00bs that don't have the drive with the new fw is simply stupid behaviour. Even on XBH n00bs take an account and can post nonsense. But the last poster just said he flashed one of these and confirmed the missing serial data.

So I guess my post was spot on. Why do you trust just that one guy that only could get half a key? Your reading seems rather focussed on one posts you pick yourself as being legit, while I like to base an assumption on multiple findings and confirmation.

[idog]

@phantom or anyone else with access to a 83850 : is it so much to ask to post a few JF screendumps (and maybe a pic of the Liteon lid) so we can see what it looks like ? Also, inquiry.bin and identify.bin would be very nice to load in a hexviewer.

@The M.A.R.T. Again, if they can be flashed without problems, then the spoofing REALLY comes into play. Suppose the current JF/dvdkey can indeed get the correct identity of the drive, then a bit of proof in the form of a screendump/bin file would be very welcome.

Until then.. pffrrt.