can i get banned from xbox live with a moddeed console?

[Witwolfy]

Okay before you guys jump down my throught ive been surfing and some guys say yes and some guys say no. I wanna know from the pro's and if not which extreme firmware do i need ?

I have extreme firmware 1.4. i dunno if that will beter my chances but any help will be great

[gigabite]

If you use iXtreme 1.4...have always properly stealthed your back-ups...no (though the "risk" is still there because certain things which can lead to a ban are logged locally) | overall like it says in the readme, use on xbox live at your own risk

gigabite

[Witwolfy]

okay lets for instance i dont wanna play my backup games but only my originals . to prevent banning will that increase my chances of not being banned or does the mod still count against me

[n00bpwner360]

Um...so you are saying, everything is legit just using iXtreme...Because of the precautions on how the firmware is handled (firmguard, ModeB, and the way BenQ works) I don't see Microsoft being able to dump out your drives firmware. So I would go out on a limb and say it seems to me just using hacked firmware and orig games you are going to be fine....

[gigabite]

nono not saying everything is "legit" exactly like that, i'm trying to say if you do use it...use it at your own risk and also that certain "things" will be logged locally (SECDATA.BIN) and this log is sent to M$ every time you connect to XBL so...if you don't get banned you may get logged awaiting a ban and if not all good...but the risk is always there.  If you speed you might get a speeding ticket, you might not - you decide what outcome there will be

gigabite

[Witwolfy]

Thanks guys i think ill just get myself like a second console i mean it cheap anyways just incase... can never be too carefull i read on many forums that guys play for months or even forever and havent been banned but thats just probably luck...

thanks for the info

[Dzgx216]

Just be sure to use tools to verify that you're working with properly patched backups.  If you're doing things the good old-fashioned way, you should be able to trust that the SS and CR data that you're using are correctly dumped and applied because you should have done it yourself.  Mulleter has usually been a good choice to test your backups are created correctly and I believe that Redline99 incorporated some sort of checking system into his program as well.  I could be wrong on that.  I've been away dealing with life for sooooo very long now.  Just be sure to keep in mind that it's going to be a back and forth struggle to keep firmwares undetectable.  The best idea is to have 2 consoles as you mentioned.... because even when you're offline, they can log your activities... The you would need to only use your original discs in the one you take on live and only use your personally created backups in the one which you do not.


Danzig

[gigabite]

it's going to be a back and forth struggle to keep firmwares undetectable

the firmwares them self are not detectable...

gigabite

[marcel2552]

it's going to be a back and forth struggle to keep firmwares undetectable

the firmwares them self are not detectable...

gigabite

so if i understand correctly there is no way for microsoft to stop dvd firmware mods in the new fall dash update, except changing the dvd drives of the newer models now and then.

[Arakon]

they could add new checks to verify the disks.

[marcel2552]

yea they could, but i think they cant stop xbox owners with modded 360's that arent using xbox live when using a game and only use live for demo's and downloadble content.

They cant possibly know that your drive has modded firmware, they could detect (on xbx live) that you play a burned game and ban you from live. But not currupt 360'

[Dzgx216]

they could add new checks to verify the disks.

That would be what I was referring to. 

the firmwares them self are not detectable...Smiley

I'm very aware that the FW itself is not detectable.  However the institution of new checks for valid media, timing checks, disc jitter etc.  This is where the struggle took place.  When the FW hacks were first released, many of us spoke to that.  It's happened multiple times, microsoft institutes a new check and another wave of bans occurs.  This is how the war on piracy is fought, b/c unfortunately rampant piracy ensues under the guise of legitimate software backups.

Danzig

[Witwolfy]

okay or im losing the plot or just getting confused.... So i can play with my modded console but stick to the originals i posses? And saying that Redline's XBC give all my games the green light for stealth checks i can also play online but hope and pray that they dont do a piracy sweep?

[toliman]

depends on your paranoia level, the firmware is intentionally designed to obscure the fact it's modified, and in some cases, is even better protected than the original firmware version is, etc.

playing originals versus playing media you backed up yourself doesn't negate any safety precautions, by flashing your firmware, you are signing on board to the risk and the responsibility of modding, you necessarily have to stay informed and concerned over what games or media youre playing, wether you can or can't run certain media, etc. etc.

or, you can just flash back/leave your original firmware and relax.

perhaps in the future, MS will have decent HDD game backup/storage and the current backups as they are won't be an issue to ongoing gameplay/technical problems, you'll just have 'crypted backups on the HDD for your games, but it requires code that isn't in the current console, i.e. unique ID's AKA cdkeys to prevent secondhand sales/trading for games. and just perhaps it's going to be in the next console

if you're critically concerned about being banned, but still want to play backups, there's no guarantee. if you mod your console, there's no perfect method to avoiding crackdowns or doing something kinda stupid, etc. but there are plenty of people who still use 2-3 year old flashed/modded consoles without having been banned.

it's not all doom and gloom, getting banned from XBL just means you have to get another xbox 360, and move the old HDD/memory to the new console, the same thing that would happen with a RRoD 360, so it's not ultimately bad. The HDD would upgrade the new console to the latest dash, and all your saves/xbl account stats and content should be OK, IIRC some content will need re-downloading though for the new console, e.g. the arcade games, the xvid/ipod license (i think), etc.

the old console would be 100% working offline, so, for most games, you wouldn't notice it was an issue. back and forth might have some issues i.e. downloading from XBLM on the HDD, removing it, and playing the game on the other console, etc. but that's up to you.

[gigabite]

or, you can just flash back/leave your original firmware and relax.

ahh no...you didn't read did you, secdata.bin not even going to bother explaining it

gigabite

[itsfakemon]

or, you can just flash back/leave your original firmware and relax.

ahh no...you didn't read did you, secdata.bin not even going to bother explaining it

gigabite

and I thank you for that. very much.
now if only you could 'not bother' posting anywhere anymore - THAT would make my life

[sasoseso]

or, you can just flash back/leave your original firmware and relax.

ahh no...you didn't read did you, secdata.bin not even going to bother explaining it

gigabite

and I thank you for that. very much.
now if only you could 'not bother' posting anywhere anymore - THAT would make my life

If that happend then the xbox 360 will be fully hacked 

[Witwolfy]

Kudos ill take all your advice and give it a try or heck get another console because its so cheap my gf hates Sony so its still a win win situation. And as for the NXE my Core version doesnt have a HDD or a reasonable memory unit to install it , i find we 3rd world countries get neglected with most of the accesories. like the HDD for example. I was pissed when i found out that i cant go full HD cause i have an old core version and no hdmi port and there is no way around to just playing 1080 p or that any mayor retailer can help me to get a converter of some sort.

I guess the only way of knowing of getting banned or not is to try it out

[jorcasce]

Hi Guys,

Perhaps I should open a new thread for this question but, is there anybody who flashes the firmware and then backs it out, when needed to go online?

I'm got a bit tired of playing the same games and since there is no money to buy new ones I would like to try to get a backup, but still being able to get online with my old original ones without the fear of getting banned.

I heard of people flashing firmware in 15 mins, if so, restore to defaults shouldn't take that long, at least that's what I used to do with my old black box. 

Does anybody here performs this kind of practice? or is it to much work?
thanks

[Arakon]

what you are asking for is not a backup, but pirated games.
and yes, you WILL be banned for that.